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I stopped reading when you said SWTOR was a good F2P game. Everything in that shop is stupidly overpriced, the feature unlocks for 30 days at a time are the worst cash grab I've seen in an F2P MMO, and all the different random junk boxes are hugely random with a high crap to shiny ratio.


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Stipend doesn't affect the cash shop. They're going to put a ton of stuff in the cash shop because it's a F2P game and that's the primary method of making money. At least with a stipend we don't have to spend more on that stuff than we're paying for a sub.


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You can literally buy all of it on the GTN. I don't see the problem. SWTOR's cash shop is one of the nicest ones I've seen in that none of the items you can buy are P2W. Weekly passes for raids/pvp are great for people who only occasionally play and again can be purchased with credits from other players or on the GTN. The only thing I hate about their F2P system is that they nickle and dime for stupid stuff like action bars. That isn't cool at all.


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Wrong. SWTOR doesn't do that and they give a decent amount every month. And you're also wrong about the "buying a chest piece". You can buy whole outfits and only whole outfits in SWTOR's shop. I'm a sub here and I don't have access to all of my characters. The Hell is THAT about? It can be done properly. It IS done properly and by the looks of it, not being done properly here right now. No reason Wildstar couldn't do things properly. Many other games are. Why exactly should anyone sub here? OmniBits? Really?! That's just not enough reason and if my sub doesn't actually benefit me, I won't keep it and I highly doubt many subscribers will when they actually look and compare. Spend a small amount of money on NCoin once, unlock everything, and you don't have to bother spending another dime. Pretty stupid of them not to give us real incentive to sub. Don't you think?

Edited September 30, 2015 by Lord Rakknarr


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If they made CREDD convertible to, say, 1600 NCoin, that would work, since someone would have to pay real money for it. Also, that way people could spend plat to get NCoin, and subscribers do get a bonus to currency, so that would make it easier for them to buy CREDD/NCoin in-game.

Edited September 30, 2015 by MadBlue


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Why spend Plat to get NCoin.. spend plat to buy the item off the AH.


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You do get a drop rate increase (100%), but it doesn't happen until tier 5. I think this is a little too late to include this bonus. If you subscribe, you should have this no matter how long you stay subscribed. I have yet to actually see how much drops for me right now because I'm still figuring out how to play WildStar again.


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Setting progression raiders back to a level at near half their performance, and then requiring gobs of plat to get back to said performance, but allowing that to be bypassed with real cash, is dangerously close to setting up something that is NEEDed in a cash shop. Because when progression goes backwards, raid teams fall apart and guilds split.


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Let me take it one step further. When you have a stipend... you are paying a subscription... you are paying for the game to be developed anyways... When you MadBlue said "they have to bloat the cash shop to keep subscribers using it" The point is then missed... the cash shop in my opinion is to make F2P players using it... the stipend is a reward for subscribers... period...


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Yes things are still in flux but as it stands right now making the completely naive assumption that we'll be able to full clear GA each week it's going to take about two months for our raid team to acquire the mats needed for their class sets. These sets are now more essential than full AMP/Ability Tier unlocks. Unless that drop rate is significantly increased we will have no choice but to pull those runes so that we can slot them into any upgrades received. There is no "for plat" way to accomplish this, that's a cash shop only feature. I just finished reruning my main. I blew through the bulk of my exceptional runes and 30p. For one spec. I have no clue how I'm going to get my off-spec back to where it was. I'm actively dreading getting any upgrades now not just because of the expense of the rerolls but the expense of creating the new runes. The answer there seems to be (wait for it) spend more money in the cash shop.


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Are you kidding me? You cannot compare Cartel Coins and Omnibits. You can buy anything and everything in the shop with Cartel Coins. You cannot do that with Omnibits. What if I wanted to use my Omnicoins on fortune tokens? Nope. No sir. No can do.


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What is the problem with doing that? It's still the same amount of money no matter which game the currency is spent on. Is there something I'm missing?


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Actually no. The founder's pack in Blade and Soul said that the NC coins could be used for either Wildstar or Blade and Soul. So it doesn't matter to them.


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