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This bugs me, while I prefer the game as a sub model, there are not any b2p games that are really p2w, GW2 isnt, hell even some f2p games arent p2w, Tera, RIFT, not pay to win.


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Carbine didnt outlast ESO yet, ESO will be around 11 months when it goes b2p, Wildstar is only around 8 months.


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Lol... I love it when people talk about Wildstar being sub based game. I have never paid a sub and almost 2 years worth of CREDD saved. All without farming. Also 15 dollars a month? Really? 1 movie ticket is more expensive then an entire month of Wildstar Wildstar the only MMO with sub fees? How bout the largest MMO in the World. How could you forget that? In regards to buy to play (AKA pay to win) I cant afford it. My one and only experience with a pay to win game was Planetside 2 and I was spending close to 50 dollars a month on it. No thanks


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Little exaggerated. Slaving away? 5 days of dailies which you are doing anyway, is enough to buy a CREDD. Also if you find a rare item like an ability/amp point or equivar mount you got multiple months of game time if you sell it for plat


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I've never exploited in any game or used any kind of bug. I got an equivar mount from a boombox, sold that for 60p... bought 6 CREDD Got an ability point from a pvp bag. Sold that for 60p and bought another 6 CREDD Doing dailies that take a couple hours to do net a few plat a day. In 4 or 5 days you have enough for an entire months sub.


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Flat out disagree here. I use credd as well (10 days of dailies and omnicore gets me like 12 plat) but it is not b2p, and if Wildstar ever looses audience and makes people stop buying Credd, than the game is *cupcake*ed, the CREDD crowd is the majority. And if it began dwindling I would only stay to see how it does. Buy 2 play on it's face is not a problem and usually doesn't become p2w, a completely f2p model may devolve into p2w but even then it may not. Guild Wars 2 demonstrated that you can have a non sub based game and still make money off of cosmetics and stuff. Tera and RIFT both have excellent f2p models and are still decent quality games regardless of the no sub fee. ESO will most likely not be p2w either. If wildstar introduced a cash shop with mounts, xp, renown, glory, and rep bonuses, along with some cosmetics, (say, come next season the current 1800 gear can be thrown onto the shop, stripped of all stats. Wildstar should be commended for staying p2p this long, and I think they should stay p2p until they see how well the game does at the end of the year/china release, if the game is still at a low point then (or hell if it doesn't get ANY better) by mid-late summer I suggest adopting a b2p model and copying Guild wars in that respect, which is still an amazing game with an expansion coming out soon "Heart of Thorns." More and more f2p mmos come out nowadays, some quality ones as well, Archeage was decent, Black dessert looks good, and EQN seems quite good as well.  I truly think subscription as a whole is dying out, being replaced by f2p/b2p/sub if you want games. I truly think WIldstar should star sub based as long as possible. But I also think it's becoming like 40 man raiding, a relic of the past.


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Carbine has no control over their servers. NCSoft's IPs are hosted in a datacenter in Dallas. All Carbine/ArenaNet can do in the event of lag like that is ping the guys working in Dallas and ask them to find what's going wrong.


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Absolutly YES ! Forget about WoW. So many resubbing for short time, then leave for playing other games. Its great for game population, and so for the future. You can see it in GW2. If it were a sub, it would be dead. Instead it's running fine. (untill now, they only didn't manage to create a payable expansion, although many players are waiting for it). I would recommend Carbine to switch to B2P, too. I'm sure, we will get a well functioning successful game.


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Yeh, ESO was a cash grab, pure and simple. Using it's existing fan base (i.e. everyone who ever played TES...) and exploiting an existing series. WS (like Sestren said) is completely new, from scratch, drawing in players through the originality of the game's combat system (and other awesome stuff :P but let's be real it's mostly the combat that sets WS apart!) Now, I have no issue with a fully credd based system instead of a subscription... heck the first three months I bought credd from WS because I didn't realise that a subscription was a separate thing (because I am a noob, yes I know :PP) so to me, I don't mind lack of subcriptions....I mean it actually suits me a lot better as I can be flexible with my play time. However:  I will say three things: a) the minute WS goes cash shop I quit, seriously. I have been in too many games where cash shops do it wrong. I don't like the feeling of being exploited... even games that do it quite well (gw2) end up putting ALL their new content/armour skins/mini pets/cool stuff in cash shops... and it gets to the point where you feel taken for a ride. b) I think they could coax in a lot more players if they reduced the out of game price for CREDD. $40 to the buy the game is totally reasonable imo, but the current subscription is quite steep... yeh as someone already said, as much as you pay for internet a month!! c) cash gated content is fine... IF that content is a substantial expansion, as in a complete seperate game's worth of content. GW1 I paid for every expansion because the content was basically a stand alone game's worth of stuff. In gw2.. you're expected to pay dribs and drabs, couple of bucks here, couple of bucks there to return to their "living story"... episodic payments again make me feel like I'm being milked -.- However, I think with the drop system, extra content is a part of your subscription and that's how it should be. I am happy with WS as a subscription game. But I would be ok if it went fully credd based because I can see how it might help attract more people to the game.


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I have fun when I log in to play... so... yes.


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Not true. World's two larget MMO's by sub numbers (WoW and FFXIV:ARR) both have items for sale on their websites that give you mounts/costumes/gender switching potions/etc that is not available in game by any other means. Basically an outside the game cash shop run by the devs. It is a form of double dipping, and if WoW with its 10milion subs and FFXIV 2.5 million subs is doing, it clearly refutes that argument.


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