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Looking at the list I'm not sure continuing to sub is worth it. F2P is more beneficial to me anyways.


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Serious question, do you know of an MMORPG that has locked new raids, or even sections of raids, behind a cash shop purchase? The closest I can think of is raids being added in an expansion that people have to pay for, but its a stretch to equate that with what you are claiming here.


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I think you're taking it too literally. There will be exclusive paid content, but not every single piece of content will be locked behind a paywall.


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I think it still has potential. Signature players, as I understand it, will get those as part of the service. The F2P will not.


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"We may also offer some new content and full expansion packs exclusively for purchase in the future." -- There, happy? New content - AKA raids and probably BGs too - AS WELL AS expansions.


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And that is 9000% garbage. How many times has carbine *cupcake*ed up and the community gave them an extra inch? Should we have gotten a rebate for the catastrophe that was the name reservation? Hell, for the server merge, should preorderers have gotten a rebate for their name reservations accounting for nothing? How about replacement gold for all of those times our houses reset? Should my friend get some free months for being locked out of his account due to someone, somehow, getting his information? What about those poor folk who bought paid server transfers just before they were made free with no warning? How about those poor folk who wasted time trying to salvage a server left to die? What about the folk that bought a copy of the game just before the sudden mystery box promo?


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I understand I'm being greedy here. But  I hope you will look into some measure of grace periods. I think "Being a subscriber within the first month of launch" is fair for the reward of the mount. And having a small 7 day grace period of lasped subscription over the months is enough for issues that may have occurred with billing or other problems. That would make a lot more people happy about the rewards I believe.


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You intentionally left out context to spread FUD. That line is in a section addressing what content F2P players would have access to, so in context it is saying that there may be new content that F2P players will need to pay for. Additionally, charging money for expansions is something that all subscription models have in common, so its hardly proving a point for you.


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Good to know. I look forward to the discussions, and I hope you guys are open-minded about all of it.

That hits me pretty hard, Youm. I love this game, I've been subbed since I was so graciously gifted a copy in late June, and I've stuck with it through thick and (very) thin. I'm not a fan of exclusivity in that regard, especially because of monetary issues (I'm still unhappy about not being able to buy a Warframe Founder's pack thanks to taxes, and missing out on Excalibur Prime). Those 30 days I missed are biting me in the ass, and that really doesn't feel nice to me as a loyal player.


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Please, think this through a lot. There is a lot of players whose subscription dropped only for few hours or day because of expired credit card or they forgot activate CREDD. This happens and it doesn't mean you are less loyal to the game :'(


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Also I don't know if anyone else remembers but they did doll out some free time in there as well. I purchased they year sub on May 28th and it doesn't expire until July 3rd or 4th. So I know they had some problems early but added time to make up for something. Also I can not understate how pleased I am about the announcement coming out now. I was just telling my wife the other day I hope they announce before my sub comes up for renewal so I can decide what to do. I plan on buying another year can't beat the price a month on the yearly.


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It is really September, October I wish by fall they meant July :-)


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According to my account page, my subscription lapsed for a single day back in August last year, I can only assume this was due to a debit card renewal. If this means I won't get the rewards for being consistently subbed then I beg you to look into this. I've been subscribed since early access and have logged in almost every day since then... for me not to receive the rewards would be awfully unjust :(


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Fall officially starts in NA on Sept. 23, 2015. But who knows when Carbine's 'Fall' starts :)


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While the program announced so far has some tweaks to the SW:TOR model, it sounds awful familiar. TOR's idea of "plenty" is 2 crappy costume sets per year. Wildstar will enter into their new Freemium Era with the grandest of intentions but will likely devolve into Whales'R'Us a year or two down the road.


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Yup. There goes any semblance of "loyalty" I might have ever had.


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I could see them building an un announced grace period in there, if not I hope that if you file a ticket afterwards they actually help you out. :-)


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No offense, but your posts make you sound like the same person who just happens to have gotten their way this time.


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I never stopped playing or subbing and yet I redeemed my CREDD only when the game asked me, that is, probably, a few hours/minutes after my sub expired. Because of this I'm not entitled to get the Loyalty rewards, right? CREDD redemption are not even tracked...


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Well, Wildstar launched on June 3rd...so you're a month off. For my part, I have a box code redemption on June 11....just over a week of the official launch. Never let it lapse since then, though with my CREDD purchases, I don't have a clear idea how my subscription rolled over month to month... I'll repeat again. Look at making some small allowances. A lot of us have been loyal for a lot longer than just today, but maybe a little less than since day 1 of launch.


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There's always going to be some things I want and some I don't. I'll be confident that I can get about 99% of what I want just from my sub fee, just like any game that adds things over time.


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I think I started subbing near the end of the first free month everyone got for buying the game.


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A lot of account pages will say July 3rd because of some early glitchiness with payment methods and the 30 free days. There's enough inconsistencies with the way the page generates that date that I feel comfortable in saying DO NOT TRUST IT.


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How are you deemed unloyal when you are missing out on two things that are intended for just those players and don't even know what the whole actual loyalty system holds? You are acting as if you are getting nothing at all, what is simply exaggerating. You do not meet the requirements for all the rewards that's all, your personal investment in the game is irrelevant in this sorry. Also said you are behaving as a child, i didn't call you any name i merely wrote down how you are currently coming across. I understand your position however as i said before a line has been drawn for the full pack, otherwise you can continue to argue high and low who really deserves it especially if you begin like you are doing from the position of how much "emotionally involved" you are with this game, it's a street with no end.


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Agreed. That would make a bit more sense too. "You paid or redeemed for this many months, you get rewards". Though...still bet people would be left unhappy unless there was at least one month leeway there. Otherwise you'll get people that only have 5 days until the qualify and they will be upset.


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“We don’t have the IP to draw in box sales on an unknown quantity. We know we have an excellent world, and an excellent MMO. But what we’ve learned the hard way is that people aren’t as ready to spend a box fee and a subscription on something they don’t recognize.”


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When in reality a lot of people have subbed since launch, but even more people than that have tried their utmost to remain for as long as they could but couldn't manage it for various reasons in the games most difficult time.
 * shrug* There's just a rather large gap of people left out in their two categories of rewards. It's like they expect every one to be in  "YOU HAVE HAD THE GAME SINCE LAUNCH AND HAVE NEVER WAVERED" or "Oh you bought the game way after launch didn't you? Here I GUESS you can have stuff too, especially since you PROBABLY just joined right before F2P for perks."


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You should give us the name of the 6 people that actually meet this eligibility requirement so we can appreciate their achievement. This requirement is pretty absurd,,I know a couple people who lapsed for a day or two, and a bunch that lapsed for a week or so, and I bet hundreds of others were subbed for 11 months out of the 12, but they all get screwed?


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no, im in the same boat.


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But for one reason or another, their account lapsed for a small period of time. If there's truly a technical error as to why, I am positive Carbine will handle that thorough customer service properly. For example, if it really counts changing billing methods as a cancellation with a lapse. It didn't for me, but if it did for someone, I am sure they'll make it right.


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It has to be drawn somewhere but it's being drawn over a rather large group of players that have been the life blood of the game during it's hardest time. Those who had to cancel subs for a small amount of time, those who were there for 90% of it and likely bought the game at launch as well, people who had hiccups with their credit cards or accounts for a few hours worth or seconds of not being subbed. Etc etc. That's a lot of the community.


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