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Ah, well that's where we were missing eachother then. I consider leveling to be part of the time requirement / grind to raid.

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That's because I didn't actually call his guild terrible. Those three lone words were snipped out of context from a real sentence within the context of a paragraph which was set up as a hypothetical logical statement. It's Not a personal attack or discussion of any particular guild. Please for the love of grammar: "You never *need* to move pieces immediatly. and it's never mandatory. Maybe your terrible guild has no soul and is cutting players left and right for not immediatly optimizing, but you can always find / make a new one worst case. Or be honest with your guild mates and set reasonable expectations given this game was LITERALLY just relaunched this week and has been unplayable for much of that time. You're not going to die if your guild has to spend a week or two helping it's members re-rune.... or is humanity now gone in the world of MMO's?" This is very clearly a generalized statement aimed at any hypothetical player. NOT a personal insult or attack. Edit: added quote

Edited October 7, 2015 by Nazryn


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I vendor them. Mainly because I'm an impatient sort, and AHing items usually has a 24-48 hour turnaround for me personally. It's another step of activity I just dislike, personally, so I generally avoid it. Effectively, yes, paying 80g for the 'convenience' of not having to deal with the AH. Edit: ALSO everything DuncanEllis said.

Edited October 8, 2015 by OnikoGhost


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Yep. I'll level an alt with my SO and have fun with that, but forget trying to get my gear back to where it was when I stopped raiding. It's not worth it. The whole thing is an ugly, ugly gold sink that I'm not willing to touch until prices are adjusted appropriately. The fact that they encourage you to spend money to circumvent some really horrendous systems (random rune slot rerolls, rune extractions) are just the cherry on top of this garbage sundae.


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I vendor everything, same for a few people I know. The AH in this game is horrible. I hate using it so I don't go anywhere near it. It's not just the AH, trade is just as bad. My wife plays Exile, I play Dominion, I gave her all the gold I had on my Exile characters but I couldn't type in 89 gold in the trade window, I had to put 890000(or however many 0's it took). The AH works out the same. I can't just look at it and know how much something costs or will sell for, it needs working out. I just want to get in and out not mess around with a ball ache system like that.


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I'm ALREADY PAYING A SUB. I'm not asking for FREE. I'm asking that my sub be enough for me to play the game. And yes, it is, as long as I'm super careful about how I use my omnibits and am willing to blow loads of plat on the reroll slot machine. But those are things that I, as an already paying customer, shouldn't have to do just to be effective at the content.

Does that sound entitled? Well, I *do* feel entitled that if I'm paying my $15 per month, and I'm overcoming the content with my team, and I'm doing a little bit of maintenance on the side for my gear, and I display the skill necessary to beat the content, that I should be able to progress. Hoarding a month of service tokens for gear extraction and expensive, high roller slot machine pulls should not be added to the list of requirements.

Yes, the devs need to eat. And I want to pay them. But they aren't going to get to eat if they create a painful process that drives subs away from the game.


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I never grinded in WS. i made 100p early with the auction house (armorer) and if you know how the ah works and can predict the credd prices this game has always been free to play with minimal effort. atm i make +plat just running dungeons/raid.


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I can't even do the fun content (dungeons) before I get over the prohibitively expensive rune hurdle.

Contract rune tokens. Also, Exceptional runes (the really expensive part of runing back then) were not necessary.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Naunet


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