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I doubt they would lose 50% of their current customers if it went B2P like ESO or TSW did. Also, it would probably bring back a lot of people who already bought the box, and more who would buy the game if it didn't have a subscription, which would more than make up for the player base who leave.


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Not everyone who quit the game got to max level and had the time or desire to farm CREDD. There were also plenty who said they enjoyed the game but didn't feel it was worth paying a monthly fee for.

SWTOR, ESO and TSW changed their business model in under a year. It's not unheard of in today's MMO market.

If an MMO company changes its business model, it probably doesn't foresee a break-even point under the current model. For all we know, Carbine might be deep in the red. Or not - we have no idea at this point what's going on.


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Sadly they will loose about 50 % because they are like me P2P Veterans. The Updates will come half year or maybe even in a year period, and so people will leave a second time and after that nobody comes back.


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More people is not always good. Lest we forget: Goldsellers Bots Queue's Quest mobs being camped/farmed, preventing play Quality of the Community


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I think the same, hope that someone of the Carbine can answer at those threads :)


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I don't think Olivar deserves this treatment. And I don't think he asked for your pity.


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Don't read too much into it. He understood what I meant. That's what matters. EDIT: or maybe he didn't since I'm "being an ass" about it. /shrug Don't care. He's verbally dressed down enough people here that he should have thicker skin.


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That seemed a bit harse. I would say maybe rude. And to be fair, yes, if things were not going the way I like, I would jump ship too. You know why? Its a video game. Not real life.


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But doing it a year after it came out and when no one even knows it still exist seems a bit weird


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That's a moot argument. Why are people happy playing stale games that take months to years to provide any new content if at all? Why are people being happy with getting nickled for every penny through the cash shop? Yes, I rather move on and play something else then keep playing something that's a former husk of itself. People enjoying the points above, doesn't make one bit of sense.


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I didn't mean to imply that. I think of myself as a casual player (but I know the definition is fluid) and I love the dungeons and raid content I've seen. I was just saying that adventures and shiphands showed that Carbine was interested in making content for all kinds of players. It would have never shipped with even normal mode shiphands if the whole point of the game was "raid or die".


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I'd happily take those over the current state. I'd much rather see gold spammers spamming for a game they know has enouph ppl to make a buck... thats when i knew something was wrong... when the gold spammers left. Queues are amazing... it means there are so many people playing that they cant all fit in the world at once. On the flip side queues in game WILL GO DOWN.. Guilds will have rosters again.. Quest mobs being camped is always a thing, the only reason its not a thing right now is because there are so few ppl to do it and nothing to really gain. Not many things actually sell on the AH these days... Look how small the list of things for sale is.. the population is tiny. Wildstars MEGA SERVER has the population of moonrunner (one of wows smallest servers ) Bots are already here and with the addon bot zapper and devs we wiped them out. As for the quality of the community.... I don't understand this statement at all. So you say all the nay saying, crying, complaining, and doom and gloom is a good community? there are still griefers and jerks in game on both factions. Adding more ppl might bring more jerks but come on ... seriously? its going to bring a lot of PEOPLE to the game. People come in all shapes and sizes :) don't discriminate I personally will keep playing when it goes Free to play ( if ) but a strong If at that. I have lived through this before in other games. their silence is because they do not have the answer you all want. This is their damage control... There have been so many F2P/B2P threads and you all end up shutting each other down, why should they get involved? they cant say no without lieing if it is happening and they wont say no because if that ever changes that screws them and makes them look even worse. I bet i can predict pretty closely what will happen in the next 6 months to a year. F2P will be announced sometime after Drop 5 if i am correct.  probably announced before drop 6  if not live in drop 6 but, more likely go live in drop 7. F2P is probably already in the works, in the background. They are slowly moving their resources over to F2P working on items and a new form of currency that is paid for with real money. They will probably also put it on the Credd exchange. In a perfect world they will reward those who have played like rift and give them Cash shop money and loyalty perks based on how long they have been subbed + box fee. If they are smart they will keep the sub function and give 20% increased coin/currency/Reputation/Experience gain, and a mount speed boost They will OF COURSE have very limited mounts from then on out to entice those like me that " have to have the mounts " to buy them.. First it will be just a page with mounts on it u can buy... then it will be mounts in lock boxes with an insanely low drop chance.. ( this is when i quit RIFT ) Holiday Events that give rewards can be cheated by buying the event currency or resetting daily quests etc. I have nothing against F2P as long as they keep the sub model. The perks for P2P should be substantial to keep people subbing. Those mentioned above plus a 30% reduced cash shop price. Things like that is what kept me subbed to rift right up till I quit. However, the lock box thing was abusive to customers and recycling raids/armor was just not appealing. The justification for the gear recycle was the costumes. I just wont stand for that if i ever see the first/second tier of raid gear again in wildstar just with a different color I'm quitting.. Lol plane and simple. if your company is so cheap they cant hire new artists to do that... your not getting my buck. Another thing probably doesn't belong here but i know Wildstar Devs do read this stuff. Once your raids are old news ( like last expansion kinda old) you should make a replica of the raid in a shiphand kinda thing. In rift it was called chronicals. It allowed new players or returning players to play thru it by themselves or with a few friends and see what they missed and get caught up on the story. ( it was like speedy walkthrough version that threw some money and crappy gear at you )


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FWIW, there are plenty of people spewing vitriol on these forums that are decidedly not pro-F2P.


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See this I get but what I see often and more recently on twitter while looking up "WildStar" is the bashing of those of us who want a change in the payment model for population sake. We're not seen as wanting more people. We are all labeled as F2P trolls who want the game to die*


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More to the point ... the people who feel they are "footing the bill for free-loaders" when they've been buying CREDD this entire time AND FOOTING THE BILL FOR FREE-LOADERS! But CREDD is #hardcore and #superfine because, you know, it was here at Launch. Changing things now is a "lie" and "deception" and every other bit of hyperbolic inanity they can muster.


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It's funny because every drop since launch has made the game more and more casual friendly, and you would think the people not wanting any change would have left already, funny that they're still here (well the ones who didn't leave, hha)  So if people want to leave because Carbine has backed on their vision or promises, they should have left a long time ago.


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What? The F2P freeloader (not to be confused with the F2P player) is not contributing anything. They buy nothing, don't sub, don't farm CREDD. Not only do they not support the game because of this, they are literally doing nothing at all to earn their game time. The current 'freeloader' (or person who farms gold for CREDD) is spending time farming gold to buy CREDD. Note that while the argument they're supporting the game's finances is not rock solid, they are in fact doing something to earn their game time. Consequently they are also supplying the reward (gold) that people who support the game with real money are gaining. Please revisit your idea that this is the exact same thing?


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Well as my logic works differently, I can safely ignore your rants from now on :) Thanks for clearing that out


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Read my quote again. I said "The question is". I didn't say IT WILL happen this way, but I'm concerned that it will. I've said before that if they manage to create a model where the content that I want to play is still there and I am in no way feeling like I have to consider using real world money in the game, then I'm OK with it.


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you'll still be able to farm plats and exchange for cash shop stuff probably. so the players who are still here (the few of them) and are having fun "farming" to buy their sub with credd  (boring imo, but hey, some are doing it) will now be able to farm for cash shop stuff instead of the sub. probably.


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