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It isn't. People use pay to win for almost anything without knowing what it actually means .... kinda like the "troll" word. Pay to win is being able to buy the absolute best in slot gear from a cash shop and have no other way of obtaining it in game ... thus, paying to win. Pay to win IS NOT buying CREDD or anything in a cash shop that can be obtained in game. But people will still throw it around and be facepalmed by everyone else.


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{| style="width: 100%;" No, no he didn't.

Trust the troll experts instead of giving trolls the benefit of doubt. :P


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More descriptively... P2W is sort of the moniker dropped on a F2P model in which you can purchase a real-game advantage with real money. There are some F2P models I don't mind as much, SWTOR's being one of them for the most part (they tend to do subscriptions, but you can play for free with severe disadvantages). P2W is ostensibly worse because it's the "cash shop", literally allowing you to buy near-raid gear and making it nigh-impossible (if not factually impossible) to achieve anywhere else. It's an accusation that gets thrown at the game in the case that you can buy CREDD, sell it for plat, use that to buy crafted gear from the CX, and be in PVE shape gear-wise faster than straight running PVE content. This doesn't work as an accusation for a few reasons: -Plat's not rare. Right now, there are people stocking up on CREDD off a few hour's farming plat simply because the market is flooded and the CREDD is cheaper. I've heard Carbine expected CREDD to probably settle around 40 plat, instead it's more like 4-7 right now. You don't have to do that much playing to buy that crafted gear. -I don't think Carbine expected crafted gear to essentially replace gear from runs, but their estimations for drop rates and gear runs was probably pretty low. Sounds like they want to fix it in the next patch or so. -CREDD doesn't operate as a cash shop, it is essentially offering to pay for someone's month of gametime in exchange for game money with a 5 dollar surcharge. This system exists in EVE Online and works quite well. It doesn't offer any kind of an unreal advantage. -Gear is FAR less of a help in Wildstar. You can buy the best PVP gear on the CX, walk into a BG, and get ROFLstomped by people who know half of what they're doing. The game is so heavily skill-based that, while you may eventually need better gear to advance in the game, nothing you can buy will save you from your own stupidity. -Nothing you can buy with real money from NCSoft isn't available in the game already to offer you an advantage. Really, while it's possible in other games, you can't pay to win in Wildstar. All you can do is turn real money into an item you can sell on the CX. At this point, it's not even a good option for doing that; CREDD doesn't translate well to game money.


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{| style="width: 100%;" Thank you Vic, as usual a well thought out, well explained and understandable post!!! *smiles* it's becoming a habit with you I see!

Sadly yes seriously, and more than a few of my male friends actually boast similarly, however it's not as bad, I am a gamer, I don't judge harshly!!! Sarah


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