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I see both of your points here. Certainly Vet Shiphands and Adventures provide some endgame progression and Vet Adventures require some minor amount of teamwork and loose application of Trinity-based play. They are useful if you really know nothing about how to play your character and work as part of a team. But on the other hand, I also agree that the jump in expectations between the Vet Adventures and the Vet Dungeons is a really large one. You go from "don't run away from the healer" to "what do you mean, you didn't read the guide before you came in here?" That's a pretty steep hurdle.


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I personally never felt it was that huge of a jump. The vet dungeons are extremely similar to the normal versions in terms of mechanics, only things hit harder. I never read any guide or watched any video and did just fine. The only times I had someone explain a fight to me were the adjustments to Mordecai and when running vet SSM for the first time (had never done even the normal version of that one).


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I was actually DPS, which helps more than a tank. And yes, Ufa is correct that you can't carry a healer through Drokk. I don't feel like the content is overtuned- it's dooable. But not all groups are going to be successful at completing the dungeons. I think that is the biggest concern. Can people have fun trying and not finishing, or do they need a guaranteed finish if they show up in appropriate gear? I remember wiping and wiping for more than a week on Stormtalon at launch with both pugs and people in my guild. When we finally got it down, we felt like kings! And I had so much fun trying and making progress each time. That's what progression content is like- what I'm not sure is if the general population can handle it. But I love it.


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I don't think you quite understood my meaning there. Farming dungeons is more profitable than farming adventures. Farming expeditions is more profitable than farming adventures. Ergo, farming adventures doesn't happen. There are simply more rewarding things you can do with your time that are just as fun no matter whether they're the end of your progression or the beginning of it.


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I'm convinced at this point that at least part of the problem your run this morning had was the healer was undergeared, relax. :lol: If the trouble was the heal check and the healer was in iLevel 65 gear and the intended gear is iLevel 70, then it may still be that the instance is overtuned but we certainly shouldn't say so just based on that run--the healer's gear was part, if not all, of the problem. But I'm not really commenting on why people enjoy dungeons more than adventures, in part because I'm not sure I accept that statement as correct and I don't think either one of us is in any position to accurately address that question for the game's playerbase as a whole. Of course I know more people who enjoy adventures and you know more people who enjoy dungeons. That's just evidence that different players exist in different subcommunities with different preferences. I'm commenting on why people don't run adventures, not why they do run dungeons. People don't run adventures because independent of whether they enjoy them or not, they're simply not rewarding. If you enjoy two things equally well but one is rewarding and the other is not, you will do the rewarding one and not the unrewarding one because it's the same enjoyment and extra rewards.


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you know, i get where you coming from - but honestly i think you just need to find YOUR guild er the "right" fit for you. seriously a guild/ group of people you come to know/ play with frequently (especially if you lvl/ progress through endgame or a whole character with them) i know its hard to go from one guild to the next and expect much difference but you gotta remember, that theres humans on the other side. so EVERY ONE is going to be completely different in that case, and i belive thats a pretty big deal in your particular case because i feel like ive been in the same boat- YOU need somewhere you can invest your time, heart, and effort and get what your seeking in return :) (my GF especially who raided in wow but was literally a person who's so shy she used to avoid phones.. ended up Main Tank for a HUGE raid guild) i KNOW if you find the right group of people NONE or at least many of the issues that have left a bad taste in your moutn(bad experiences with others/groups) and i know it sucks more than a lot and its discouraging but don't let em ruin it for you - NO ONE should act like that, especially if theyre aware that its your first or next of few attempts/ visits to that raid/Dungeon. im telling you- there ARE Understanding/ Patient/ Capable and WILLING players out there who are looking for people like you to have literally a guild of friends rather than "guildies" to play through the whole game and all it has to offer together- people who value the time/effort you invest into their guild to play with THEM/ and help progress and grow their members because they understand that helping the guild helps yourself AND everyone as a whole- peeps who arent Fraggernauts from FPS/Gear crunchers from old games/ wow bm types (at least a common one for me back in the day) expecting you to be 2x over geared for something before you attempt it the first time. it will take some  but thers one out there with your name on it where you'll fit right in and make friends that make you question how friendships are normally developed/kept because of how well you get along with them/ good of friends you end up becoming with complete strangers, can be difficult to believe. dont get discouraged! it can take a good amount of time theres a LOT of guilds out there. But i PROMISE theres some out there who would likely relate/ understand/ even mimic your frustrations/ experiences and desires Etc dont let the Wet blankets kill the whole deal for you just move on and don't look back- they aren't worth the time. really a bummer to hear things going that way, i really hope you find the place that will turn it around for you (maybe my guild once it reaches end game content :p who knows heh) but i really hope you find a place to call 'home' for your character as well as a sudo family-esque group of people that just want to enjoy the game with each other while having as much of a good time overall as humanly possible. best of luck


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