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oh it can be worse. Metin 2, where adding an item to a pre-existing, unlocked socket can even fail...


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Heh. Nice way to turn this cluster**** around on the people calling for rational discussion as opposed to the dead-horse whupping we've got going on here. No one has offered a single new thought in the last 35 pages. That's not a lack of self-control, that's a freaking fact. It's gone around and around and around and has had nothing new added and no official word - thus, it's not only pointless at this juncture but totally without merit. I mean, discuss away, but you're just spinning your wheels to zero effect. If that's your idea of a good discussion ... well ... I don't know what to say to that.


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i do not agree with paying to unlock amps/abilities straight of the bat. i think this "grind" is needed to make the content more replayable (daily zones, gold shiphands/ dungeons etc) though, i'd like to see an option so that these unlocks works for all alts. for example, once you have all amps and ability points on a character you now have the option to buy the full amp/ability unlocks for your other characters. pristine key... well... you basically can sell credd to get money to buy one from players in game. i also don't think putting it in the cash shop is needed. cash shop should be filled with cosmetics, mounts, pets, toys, sounds, particle effects, housing stuff, extra character slots, costume slots. subbing should give you all stipends to spend in the cash shop and it needs to be a real good deal (maybe by subbing 15/month you get 30/month for cash shop stuff).


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Yeah, I heard Carbine and every other game studio who goes F2P calls them, "Ideal customer".


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That middleman, who makes what is essentially a cash shop for any BOE item in the game less like a  cash shop and more like player interaction driven economy is psychologically important. you and tex can't or won't see the difference between CREDD and items directly on a cash shop because you are refusing to take into account the psychological factors and the importance of (to some people) player controlled economies rather than cash shop controlled economies


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You're describing someone with a gambling addiction - either that or they're greatly exaggerating the amount they spent, and hoping someone takes pity on them and gives them the item they wanted.


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That is a completely valid opinion, and just like everyone else, you are entitled to your opinion. Also, just like everyone else, your opinion is no more "right" than any other. So if you think this thread has become useless or a waste of time, that's fine. But if someone else disagrees, they are not "wrong" simply because they have a different opinion than you. Having said that, I'm *not* saying it is a good discussion, nor am I saying it is a bad discussion. What I *am* saying is that if anyone thinks this thread has become pointless, then they can choose to no longer read it or post in it. However, if someone *does* think that this thread is pointless or a waste of time, yet *chooses* to read/post in it anyway, then they only have themselves to blame, not anyone else in this thread.


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It is for some, probably. Not a big deal. Selling a pristine key for market value isn't "trashing the economy", though. It's part of the economy. It's actually one of the few things in the game worth saving plat for, in my case. That and rune stuff, but runes aren't that bad since I have gobs of renown.


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Hey, nice find. And while I have no doubts that F2P is happening for this game, I'll go ahead and ask the skeptic's question: were there any major rumors this was happening before the alleged employee said so? If so, he may have simply been going off of those rumors. But if not, that definitely gives some credibility to his posts.


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Seems like a pipe dream even if it is real. Don't Steam Machines run on Linux?


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And even then there will be those who will resist the news. In the immortal words of Mark Twain, "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."


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Yes, on linkin there are since November profiles of employs being hired for translation of Korean game by NCsoft. Also there have been a voice actress since a year ago


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I welcome our new PVP overlords who actually cares


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Different game, different target audience, different development costs and process, etc. To the rest of the thread, Wildstar has greatly improved their game and is in a good spot design wise. They deserve more players, more exposure, and better quality of life for their employees. At this point the only thing that can bring any of those things is a model transition. I welcome the prospect of the game being filled with players, because no matter how much you love the game you can't fully participate in it without a large body of others. This is an MMO. The sky is already falling for real...so being doom and gloom about any change that could possibly turn that around is silly. A lot of us called that this game being subscription 'only' was a bad move. Well...here we are. It's not a popular opinion, but who cares. The game is fun, let's open the doors and let some neighbors in.


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Because more is invested in WildStar already.


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I really hope that this game's development team isn't counting on this as much as you are, because the phrase "throwing good money after bad" comes to mind as an obvious rebuttal. As does the phrase "Now under new management".


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You really aren't reacting to my statements, since I didn't even speak to the specific differences between their other products nor did I mention payment models of their other games. What you are reacting to is your own agenda and creating a false dialogue that isn't happening. I'd be very curious to see you actually respond to what I've said, since you say you are questioning reasons they would keep supporting Wildstar and I've given you ample reasons that you continue to ignore. So yeah. You just want some confirmation bias all up in here, which I will not take part in. PS- while your question was rhetorical, I already referenced the lower end of the staffing spectrum with LotRO which has now been running for 8 years with constant updates and new ideas for a stale genre. Hem and haw all you like whether it's enjoyable to anyone on an individual basis, but the game continues to move their content forward even with a small team. SWTOR team saw similar reductions, leaders being removed or leaving, and now they have one of the most profitable MMOs with a cash shop. Wildstar could do either of these things, which is...whatever really...since your 'questions' are regarding why would NCSoft support it. I've given you multiple posts why. Maybe they don't have milk where you live so you don't understand the metaphor? That was the simplest reduction of the logic I can give you.


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