124774-q-carbine-are-you-changing-your-business-model

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100% this.


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Is the end of the world... Ops wrong game, lol.


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Take their silence as your answer that yes, they are going either free to play or buy to play. Carbine knows our concerns with ftp/btp. I would give them the opportunity to bring out their system before freeking out. In the meantime, enjoy the soon to be packed servers as hype increases


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We all have our opinions.


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We are not fighting over a P2W versus anything else conversion! On that point 99% of the player base are in agreement. But we are fighting over you dont want cash shop in any form, and I dont mind a form of cash shop:)


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They can easily convert what you have into cash store currency.


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I understand, I played TERA from CBT's to after they went F2P and was subbed when it happened for over a year and 1/2 because they double charged me for an annual subscription and refused to refund the extra year because I didn't even notice it until I was 4-6 months into the first year. Yeah, I got screwed and yeah, it was my fault for not noticing. I really hate feeling that feeling of "wait a minute...deja vu" this isn't going to end well for me.....again.


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Well, as I've said before, I ain't no spring chicken. 45 years old and been an avid gamer since Pong. I have *also* lived through this before and my experiences have obviously been very different. I was far more "fearful" of the megaserver transition than I am about any possible B2P/Cash Shop/Whatever that comes along. But then again, I'm not the kind of person who measures how much fun I am having by how much money someone else spends to play. I find that mentality to be juvenile, petty and entitled beyond reason. Have fun and don't freaking worry how Joe Newbie got into the game. Now, the "free stuff to new purchases while loyal patrons got nothing" ... Okay, see, THAT I understand. I mean, it doesn't bother me, but I do understand wanting to feel like we're as appreciated as someone who just bought the game.


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I've got a friend I've been trying again and again to get into WS, but he adamantly refuses because of NCSoft's treatment of CoH...


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Are you a wizard...


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That this is test marketing for a cash shop? I'd say that's a legitimate gripe. I'll restate what I've said before: Cash shops aren't for the non-subscribers to catch up to the subscribers, it's to enable those with extra disposable income to pay more than their sub.

The second sentence is fairly obvious. If there's no revenue, they don't get paid. I remain highly skeptical over the first. Until and unless they come out and say something to the effect that they didn't fully think through this promotion and apologize profusely I'll remain feeling like the subs just took a giant step down from "valued customer" to "filthy consumer".


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NO HUGGING OF CHUA!


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The thread was made because we are all sick of it! We are sick of all the threads here, we are sick of them on reddit, we are sick of them on every part of the internet. Next week all the EU community team are flying over to NA for meetings, they have been before but this time instead of 2+2 =4 it will now add up to 5. A simple honest yes or no from Carbine could end all this, for sure shit will hit the fan at first! It just seems they are playing politics by leaking out bad news ( or good ) so Joe public accepts it when it eventually lands.


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Not all of us. ..


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Although I also would love to see a more direct exposition on WS's future re: payment model, I actually agree with Youmukon on that point. I remember googling definitions of B2P in the past to clarify an argument I was having in another MMO, and it wasn't clear-cut. And I've seen a lot of definitions since then, from these forums and others. At this point I feel the exact same way about F2P. I'm tired of trying to make rational or morale arguments about a system that is not only interpreted uniquely by devs, but by a large number of the people who play their games. The first thing I remember in philosophy class: Define your terms. Two brilliant people arguing past each other will accomplish little; rather, they'll probably get emotional about it because confusion undermines rational thought, especially when any semblance of ego or apathy is involved— which are both incredibly common to people who like to debate or argue on the internet. What is F2P? What is B2P? Better, what's good and what's bad about them? Good and bad for who, how many? For how long? What are the limitations? So many questions for so many armchair developers (myself included) who all have personal stake in the argument. It's not pretty and I'm not sure it's ever been productive. Anyway, don't mean to shut people down with this. Speak your mind, I obviously am. But I think Youmukon is fundamentally correct.


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I don't think we have. I'm pretty sure I would've remembered you making an argument this obviously wrong. Setting aside Anvh's completely correct point that they make a profit off the cash subscriber too, I'm sure we'd all charge 33% more for the same service if anyone would buy it. But if we continued to give them the option to pay our original price at the same time that we added the option for them to buy the same thing for 33% more, they'd have to be completely insane to choose the more expensive option. The point of Roda's argument--and yours too if you're seriously buying into it--is that the value of CREDD is inherent to the 30 days of playtime that you get from it. That's what the cash buys you. You're buying playtime, and each CREDD gives 30 days. There's three ways of getting 30 days of playtime: a digital purchase for $15, a game time card for $15, and CREDD for $20. If the reason you're buying CREDD is for the playtime, you're a complete idiot. Because you can buy the playtime for only $15, instead of $20. The thing that you get by spending cash to buy a CREDD token instead of a subscription fee is the opportunity to convert that token into plat. And seriously, it blows me away that anybody would be willing to shred their own credibility by claiming otherwise.


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Why would we want them if they refuse to pay for a game they like? I don't want them in my population.

At least half.


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