123910-b2p-sub-credd-suggestion

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Since you claim to play a lot of MMOs you must know that low player activity outside peak hours is a thing. Not only less people ARE online, but they HESITATE to queue for stuff, because of the perceived lack of players online. WS is playable at any time, lots of solo content, lots of stuff you can do with guildies/friends.


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That sounds like WoW on my Lightning's Blade server (one of the oldest high populated launch servers). During non-peak hours you can't get a BG to save your life. LFR? Forget about it. What you described is common in even the most populated of MMO's. Even when the game was at 12 million subs, queues rarely happened during non-peak hours.


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Let me read that back to you and see if that makes sense: almost nobody online, people aren't Qing because they (falsely) think almost nobody is online. Eh? Fact is, Qs can be long even at peak hours, and are extremely long at non peak. Yes, lowered activity outside of peak is a thing in every MMO (because duh, people have jobs and lives), but WS a ghost town at non peak, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Playable is not sitting in 40min+ Qs and begging in LFG for someone, anyone, to run with. /wave at the 1 other guildie online, sup steve. All that said, things ARE on the uptick, and I'd give WS a few months and see how things stand before raising the F2P/B2P flag.


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The reason these threads keep happening is because people are unhappy with the state of the game and the servers. They will keep happening until the population returns to a normal level and the only way that is going to happen is through f2p/b2p. Don't like it? dont post in these threads, it's a simple concept.


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And what would you call having to pay for pretty much every little thing you want to do in the game and the price can/will creep up to be over what a sub was originally? It's equal price for everyone because we all have equal access to the game.

This discussion, as far as I can tell, isn't about a hybrid system..


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I never played SWTOR, so I can't comment on their system... I do agree though that a lot of publishers go WAAAY overboard with their f2p/hybrid systems! But as I said, Aion did a great job with the conversion to it's hybrid-model... If it's done correctly it's really "just" about dropping the access barrier to the game, and then implementing a quality-of-life sub (in W* case C.R.E.D.D., since it's already there). Restrictions like increased lockouts, 2-3 times slower prestige, glory, renown, EG/AMP progression would be enough for 70% to buy that quality-of-life sub...


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I think that when people say "this game is going to go F2P," they mean hybrid/F2P, as pretty much every P2P game that has "gone F2P" still has an optional subscription.


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BS. They'll keep happening even if the population booms. The birth of F2P brought the "gimme gamer" with it; people who think that MMOs (with millions in man hours and money) should just be handed over for them to consume. It's absolutely absurd to think that F2P/B2P is even a legitimate model when the game turns out being more expensive to keep up and focus has to be shifted to constantly adding to a cash shop just to stay afloat.


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An increasing number of people are asking for all sorts of things for free. You really think handing them what they want will make it go away? Nope; they'll be at your doorstep asking for more and more every day because they know if they are obnoxious enough, the weak ones will give.


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It is yet another thread that has popped up on the forums about trying to change carbine's sub model. There are too many to count that have been about something else, derailed, then locked because of it. Mods should just lock this one as well.


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I can only speak about what I know from Aion EU, but they actually earned more as a hybrid-model. But as I said: that has a LOT to do with them having one of the best hybrid-systems I know, which encourages players to buy the €10 sub...


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Try reading a bit more professional material, or join user groups for actual game developers and professionals in the industry. Not some random google usergroup. If you really want a stepping stone, feel free to join the discussions on LinkedIN instead. It's the easiest place to start.

Edited March 21, 2015 by BusterCasey


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Wow...Aion made more money than GW2 in the last 2 quarters of 2014...lol...


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I think that's what most of us are saying "not yet". I'll wait to see the population after the PR push.


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