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Carbine already made their money from the Credd. The number of people who paid real cash to buy new CREDD to take advantage of the market today is minimal.


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Unit: KRW in MN

Edited November 13, 2014 by BusterCasey


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Hey look, someone is trying to find a loophole.


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Frezz wins today's "foot-in-mouth" and/or "face palm" awards hands down. I vote he wins for the month. Thanks Carbine for your work in cleaning up the mess. Time to throw out the garbage.


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This is why there was no rollback. Go back and read what Tony said again.

The focus is all on "we will punish the bad people and take their stuff." No where in there does he guarantee that the items or plat that have been cycled through the market will be affected in any way. The amount of plat you get for 20 bucks just shot through the roof. I guarantee you that cash sales of CREDD just shot through the roof. The exploiters have just been told "you have 24 hours to move everything to other accounts, gift it to friends, launder it through the market." This is fundamentally no different from what Carbine did when they announced that ratings tankers in PvP would be banned once drop 2 went out. Once people knew that they'd be just fine until then, they redoubled their efforts to keep milking the system for plat as hard as they could before the party was over. And Carbine raked in the proceeds from the CREDD sales the entire time. Tony, I get that you need the money. I get that it must be really agonizing to look at the cash you're pulling in from CREDD right now and question whether you should keep it or give it back. And I'm not going to make some smarmy argument about you should do a rollback and send that money back because it's the right thing to do. Your job is to make money. Not doing a rollback lets you keep the money. I get that. The reason to do a rollback and give that money back is because when you make a profit off of some of your players cheating, the rest of us slowly come to realize that even if you didn't directly plan it with them, even if you didn't actively collaborate with them, you put the system in place where you could make a profit off of the damage to the game that happens when cheaters trash the experience for the rest of us. If you don't make it clear that you refuse to make that profit, then what you do make clear is that you're just fine with making a buck off of your customers getting screwed, as long as there's someone to punish for it other than you. And when that happens, a lot of people will walk away and never come back. Your game took a real hit from what happened here a few months ago with PvP. What you choose to do here can cause it to take another real hit. Choose wisely. Because the players are listening.


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yup, ya know that would explain why they took so long to respond to this and not shut the servers down immediately, due to all the money they were making on people buying credd and selling it ingame.........Which is bad ethics on carbine/NCSoft


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The entire community wouldnt need to know about the exploit, It would only take 1 person to say in zone,"holy shit! look at the price of credd!" Which pretty much happened on every single server for a few hours repeatedly.


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Damn it, besides pvping, tending my elite garden was about the only other thing I did in the game. But seriously great turn around, bug was live for a long ass time and you guys took forever to disable gardening. Silly CRB, guess it took a little bit of ruckus to get you guys to listen. You certainly are tending a bad trend when you only take necessary steps after the damage is done and the people are revolting. Will we be compensated for the general destruction and obscene price gouging / supply shrinking of the economy. Some of us paid real life money for a certain value of CREDD, only to find that our plat has no buying power. Please, stop focusing on talking about basic steps needed when a monster exploit like this comes to life, but talk about what you plan to do to fix the situation.


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The exploit was that gardens were instantly respawning plants under certain conditions, making the rate of gathering Bloodbrair for instance the speed at which one could AoE and gather. People were literally selling the Bloodbrair to a vendor in an adjacent plot after filling up their bag space. Estimates are, there were many players with excess of 10,000 platinum that got injected into the economy. There really is no fix other than roll back. They bought up all the supplies. People that were not exploiting saw the price jumps, and started to list things for dramatically higher prices, think 10x higher, and got their auction bought. At this point, much of the tens of thousands of platinum created created by this exploit were injected into the economy. Non-expoiters made 100s of platinum by selling items at inflated prices to exploiters during the day. The effect of which was a huge amount of inflation in all essential end-game materials. The platinum has been injected into the economy and "trickled down" to non-exploiters who were simply listing materials they had on hand at the inflated prices that exploiters were able to pay when the supply of said materials had dried up. I'm more than curious how Carbine thinks the situation "is in their ability to control." My viewpoint is theyhave no idea how bad the situation is, what has changed, what the long-term effects on the economy will be, and/or don't understand basic economic principles in general. I've cancelled my subscription from renewing until all my questions are adequately answered on how they intend to "put the cat back in the bag." As a non-expoiter, and someone that didn't sell to exploiters, I now am out of a position to buy necessary components rune out new gear that I could have afforded 2 days ago with no relief in sight. In Short: The WildStar economy has been ruined by hyperinflation. Read about it: http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Hyperinflation.html  We had a 500-1000% increase in prices in under a day with zero relief in sight. That's not something an economy can recover from.


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And now Carbine has lost the very last bit of street cred(d) they had left. Do you honestly think 1 single person is going to be like "I'm a bad bad man, I'm going to turn myself in"? Then ask yourself what punishment they plan to hand down to the ones they actually catch? 1 week, 1 month ban? Please, maybe a token few to show "dey mean business" they might straight up ban. But the likely-hood of them catching even a smattering of the overall number of exploiters is very low. That ill gotten plat has been moved around more than FedEx freight by now. And at the end of the day if they can't get rid of most of the ill gotten plat then the economy was just effectively destroyed with massive inflation and prices on premium AH/CX items forever being inflated higher from now on and CREDD market being spiked in Carbine's favor at the detriment of the free market. I'm living off CREDD from when it was cheap and already moved on to another MMO months ago. Now I am especially glad I did. I have ZERO faith Tony, et al will make any meaningful impact in making this situation right.


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Pretty much this. Any and all times actual character progression gets rolled back, I lose a little (to a lot) of faith in the company that does it. In a game like Wildstar, where character progress is slow and takes weeks to months (for example, I got an actual item upgrade (not a side grade) pretty much for the first time since I started raiding like 3 months ago), I'll pretty much be done if they roll us back. Plenty of other games out there built on character progression that actually treat that progression as sacred.


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I'm guessing it's in the same place your statement that cheaters will be dealt with severely is. In the world of "not released to the public and therefore unknown by anything other than personal experience and anecdote."


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And with the re-itemization drop in Jan, all of that gear with modules and fluxes is going to become obsolete. Problem solved. I'm exaggerating a little bit, but with the exception of ability and amp points, anything they bought is temporary.


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thank you for this feedback.


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With the right amount of regulation and gold deletion things will be sorted out in a few weeks. There's no such thing as an economy broken forever. With the right amount of fixes it will recover. I remember the Caturday event when I was playing neverwinter (basically the same thing happened, more or less, you may google it), and even though some people managed to hide some of the illegitimate currency, the economy was fixed about a month later. Not on its own (there's no such thing as self-regulation) but it was fixed. The devs can't do miracles and you seem to honestly have no idea of the amount of drama and ragequits a rollback can cause. Also keep in mind that exploiters spoil their own enjoyment, what's the point of owning hundreds or thousands of platinium when what you can buy is either mostly worthless (like that 100p strain hoverboard) or can only be obtained having fun in dungeons or raids. Yep this is pointless. If they evade the ban hammer or got a free out of prison pass with a nice letter and some tears while keeping some hidden platinium then they will quit playing in a few weeks because they have nothing left to do. What would really hurt the game is player making public the fact that they could evade the ban while keeping hundreds of exploited plats or some guy who exploited like 10 plats posting about a two days ban or something along those lines without giving any details. That's why I think Carbine should just post the kind of actions they have taken and the rules they used to do so. Or this gardening exploit will still be talked about in a year.


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If this is true, hahaha oh wow. I can't believe this was handled more poorly than the D3 AH exploit, but here we are. I gotta say, I was going to try out the new content but not even going to bother. Just going to double check that I'm not going to be charged past my six-month sub and drop this game forever. By the time the economy fixes itself (IF it fixes itself) what little that exists left of the player base will be long gone. I love this game, but I can't justify putting my money down with the kind of gross mismanagement that's gone on here. I have better things to save for. Sigh :(


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