106408-struggling-to-see-a-vision-or-a-direction

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well this man  has taken the beat stick to the entire (lead) dev team. damn  i cant wait for frost to " whine rant" on todays stream over this one


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CASUAL!!! jk couldn't help myself.

^THIS right here! not sure I'd come back just for this one change, but it would sure help.


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I know, but to every positive there is a negative. Which sucks, I want to see this game thrive, I really do. The way things are now though, it's looking grim for W*.


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OP, I see your complaints and they are mostly valid, but I have to also agree with what Lemurian is saying here. Admitting when you're wrong and working to correct your mistakes ARE signs of competence.


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lol not even close, about 5% of raiders see all the content but there is a much much higher percentage of people that raid


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When was the overall pop 10m?


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And I would say you are flat wrong. To each their own though, and I can respect your difference of opinion. The only reason folks think that raids = endgame though is because, as Geux mentioned, " raids shifted from the exercise of the hardest core minority of  playerbases, to  a very open  spectacle". Raids originally were not endgame but for a small minority of players; they have since been devalued and expanded to be the end all be all.


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Per Wowprogress, roughly 60K guilds killed normal 25 man Lord Marrowgar and 84K guilds killed normal 10 man Lord Marrowgar. For those who didn't play WoW or don't remember, he was the first boss in the last raid instance of the Lich King expansion, so he serves as a proxy for "people who experience raid content at that time". If we assume every single one of the 25 man guilds also show up in the 10 man list then we have 60K + 24K guilds total. If we assume each 25 man guild got 40 people into the raid over time and each 10 man got 16 (both represent a 60% bench / replacement list) then we get a total of about 2.8M people who raided that expansion. Given that reported subscibers were 11.5 million at the time that would be roughly 25% of the population who stepped foot into raids. Call it 20-30% and you're probably in the ballpark.

I have no idea where you're coming up with 60%.

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Ok, if you assume those numbers are correct (I'm not aware of any source for them) than 60% might be a reasonable "high" estimate. Do you have a source for reducing 11M to 4-5.5M?


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You can finish the majority of the end game (excluding raids in this example) in about a day. Wooooo... so many fun! Totally worth a monthly subscription.


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