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I think its just weird that the mod can emphisize with a hacker more then an AFK'er, but i agree. I mean the AFK'er is paying $15 a month to sit and do nothing. The 'gold farmer' how ever they got their account, is intent on working, not having fun.


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And you know this how? I know you've gotten suspended from the forums/game for being a *cupcake* before but this isn't the same.


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Dear Carbine staff, could you take a lock at the ticket #458705? From what I gathered on the forums so far the only third party programs that are common in people that you ban is Custom FoV and No Offline Roster. Both are not hacks though.


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well you should stop posting here. I'm sorry for your issue but you are rude and disrespectful with other people that are also waiting for a CS answer. You should wait in line like every other customer and stop screaming around the forum to get help and go past other people. If everyone will behave like you we will have a thread with 3020293 screaming for quick help. This is exactly why a ticket system was implemented in the first place. this is valid for every other who had or will post in this thread/forum to get a service before others customers.


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in the greater scheme of things in anything like this innocent people will be improperly flagged. the fact that they are tackling this is beneficial for all honest players in the long run. I sincerely doubt that there is anything "willy nilly" about it.


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Noticed the same thing.


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one thing to keep in mind though is at 3 am which I think you said it was there, and upset... may not be the best time to be posting. saying something that gets you banned will not help the situation either.


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I am speaking on behalf of a community of gamers. All of them in Wildstar. Moves like this kill games. I like the game. I see the potential. I also don't take kindly to just burning $50. There are more fun ways to spend $50 if you know it's going to be wasted.


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You realize that if their account is banned then they can't log on to the forums to speak "on their own account"...right?


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Well, I am not trying to convince YOU of anything. I don't have to. I am, however, trying to convince Carbine to fix their error. I agree totally that they exploiters and bots need banning. But you CANNOT blast thousands of innocent parties along with them. I own a business. I know that you can't make money by pissing off most of the folks that buy from you. It is time that Carbine realize that. So unless you work for Carbine, you can just read along and avoid posting information that is not on the topic. Commenting that people posting shouldn't be posting is irrelevant. Make a thread titled "Speak for yourselves" and fill it with ideas about how people shouldn't talk when something doesn't apply to them. A thread filled with people discussing the heinous (that means bad) banning of innocent people is where you are now. Just in case you forgot in your off-topic ramblings.


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do you know each of the thousands of people and can personally vouch for their innocence? you have access to each of their computers and can firmly and with conviction say they are innocent? I am not saying people should not be posting, but you seem to be speaking for a large number of people that I am pretty sure you do not know. also, nowhere did I say that peopel should not be saying anything. nowhere. I know other people did, but I have zero issue with people trying to clear the ban. at no stage did I stoop to insulting people either, a gap you filled admirably =D well done


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I partially agree with you. It is why I didn't get any add-ons. I have curse. I know how to use add-ons. Maybe they should have disabled the use of add-ons initially. Maybe they should have said SOMETHING about the type of add-ons they were not going to allow prior to the full bans. Don't just kick in the door and start blasting people with the ban-hammer.


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or you make absolutly sure that the false positives are so minimum through testing.


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In this case "a third party application was detected" is sufficient enough, despite how desperate someone may be (even me if I were in that situation) to get more concrete answers.


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I certainly understand mistakes and I hope yoru brother is cleared soon and can come back, much the same as Mirta000 gets her partner back online as well, as soon as possible. in the first round of anything that many people on the forums have been pushing for, especially in terms of botting, cheating and teleporting harvesters are bound to return false positives. and I agree with someone else that you do NOT want to give the botters warning. I have seen this happen before, even in the vaunted WoW purges, and typically, the innocent return and the botters get punished. while I cannot say if their methods are good, the company motives ARE to retain customers. I am not an employee and I suspect teh resident insulter is either, so neither can speak to their methods. bottom line is yes, they went to war with the bots, and some will get flagged wrongly, but I am sure that the wrongly banned will be back.


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Uh.. sorry? No..? You shouldn't have been botting in the first place, that's against the TOS already.


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Nark does not seem to care about things like that


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No, I understood completely. What you're saying is that this is an acceptable scenario: I buy the game at launch, I bot for multiple WEEKS, getting all kinds of moneys / levelled characters and whatnot. THEN Carbine is like, "Oh hey, you know in the ToS you agreed to, where you said you wouldn't exploit our game? Yeah well now we're super serious about it this time, so if you keep doing it, we're gonna have to ban you!" Then, I stop botting, and I just keep the massive advantage I've accrued? Please explain why you think this is a reasonable course of action.


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Well, if he has gotten banned from other MMO's, you must ask yourself at some point were they all *really* mistakes? Perhaps he is just mad he got caught and is now playing innocent?


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please do not assume that no one reads it. do you personally know everyone that signed up for Wildstar as well?


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Aren't circular arguments great like that? Infallible beings are awesome. All praise be to the almighty admin. Ladies and Gentlement - The Ken Ham of the Wildstar forum. ^_^


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Sure, then comes a trial, attorneys, DA, judge... etc. When they see the crime doesn't fit the punishment they quash it, much like Carbine has already stated they will do.


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I have to say this is a load of bull*cupcake* - and I'll even explain why: You're confusing Addons and 3rd Party Programs - they are entirely different things - apples and oranges. Using any ingame Addon (those things you see in a list under ESC, 'Addons') will never get you banned. Carbine has stated repeatedly 'There is no such thing as an illegal Addon' - see for example here, where they say anything using the ingame API is fair game, and even if you not just use, but develop an addon that might exploit some bug, it won't get you banned. It might net you a job offer at Carbine if you're that good ;)	What you absolutely cannot do with any ingame addon  is teleport around the place or automate actions & movement. Those can only be done by nasty extra programs that muck around with your computers memory or similar, and in all likelihood also steal your passwords - Those will get you banned. So all those people here screaming 'But I only use Addons XYZ' - most of you are trying to blow smoke up our collective cupcakes. You didn't get banned for that. You got banned because someone used some nasty external program in your account. And while I know this game is marketed to a somewhat younger audience with the whole Teen rating -take it as a life lesson kids: You're not gonna be told beforehand every time someone is really going to enforce the rules. Actions have consequences - deal with it B)


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I'm fully in agreement with this. Anyone that BUYS the gold should be perma-banned.


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That opens up a big can of worms though, if an addon that uses Carbine's API is banable. If they didn't want Simple Simon, they could simply change the API, and people will have to have fun the way you want them to have fun.


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It is impossible to be banned JUST for using an addon, this has been stated multiple times. If an addon is capable of breaking the game in some way, thats Carbines fault and they know it.


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All information from Carbine indicates that no one is being banned for using an addon. Anyone saying an addon got them banned is very likely wrong, either because their systems are compromised, they have some software that triggers a false positive, or they are lying.


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Name one MMO where 3rd party software that gives you some kind of edge in-game is allowed. Common sense. If it is a separate software and it automates or improves performance in-game, then that's bannable. Takes about two brain cells and a piece of chalk to figure out. Addons are just instructions for Wildstar, they can't be run as separate programs. Hence out of scope for "3dr party software" bans. That being said, false positives will happen, for software that is legit but triggers the cheating filter. But I dare you to create an anti-cheat algorithm that bans cheaters fast enough to keep the playerbase happy (so your game doesn't die) and also has ZERO false positives. As long as false positives are investigated, reinstated and adequately compensated, I don't see the issue unless the false positives are unreasonably many. But remember, given a million players, an accuracy of 99.9% is still 1000 "wrong" results (false positive or cheaters getting away).


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Actually, you have no idea what triggered the false positive and are purely speculating, end of story. You didn't write the code to do the check, you aren't reviewing internal game logs, and you (and everyone else saying this) certainly have no proof that an add-on from curse (or anywhere else that offers API based addons for download) got you banned. You have nothing but conjecture, supposition, guessing. So while you are understandably frustrated/angry/etc, simply saying "i was banned for addons, I just know it!!!" is like saying "I know the sun has 1.2 billion years left!!! I just know it!!11one11!!". Its also pretty hilarious that you think your little e-mail with a "stern and cocky attitude" was the reason they un-banned you. Lots of folks have also, some in this very thread, reported being un-banned after NO action on their part meaning Carbine has been reviewing actual logs and taking action based on those logs for those that may have been flagged by a false positive. No, your little "cocky and stern" e-mail was like yelling at the toll-booth attendant because after being in the 102 degree heat inside a metal box on an asphalt oven for 10 hours a day she forgot your receipt. You know about as much of what triggered the false positive as a muskrat does about the orbits of the planets.


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