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This seems good to me. Except, of course, for charging subscribers for vanity stuff.


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Uh, yeah, of course. When I like things, I pay for them so that the people producing them can produce more of them. Pristine Genesis Key on the Cash Shop for 50-100$? Count me in. Rated Arena / Battlegrounds are only available if you pay the 5-10$ a month sub model? Count me in. Being able to trade in-game platinum for currency to buy those cash shop items? All of that sounds good to me as long as they start developing PvP content.


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Ya that's the big one. Everything would need to be included for subscriber, no extra cosmetics. And not through some fake currency either; just FREE on the shop!

I'd be ok with the occasional cash shop item even for subscribers, but it would be the exception rather than the norm.


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That's why the subscriber is given some form of ingame currency for the cash shop. It makes sense to do it this way or do like Lethality mentioned and "graying out" items that have to have a subscription for. Although hard to do in a housing situation and showing.

Runes are not bad at all. It is another aspect to change how you want your stats. The few things I dislike is not knowing if you rerolled a rune when you already have a rune so have to pay money to get it out of the socket which goes into my 2nd reason. Paying money to remove a rune depending on the slot it's in. If there has to be a fee, should be a flat fee no matter what rune slot it is. DS items for the last 7th slot are almost 1 plat to remove the rune. For PVP, I don't know what to say due to I like to do casual PVP, but waiting in queue for so long or being steamrolled by a team isn't fun. And that goes with either the matching system being not right or not enough players are queing up for BG's. I would just like to have one set of BG's, not practice, but if your on a team, you most likely go against another team, not pugs. Or if solo queue, your ratings don't take as much of hits as being part of a group.


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And I can do all of that and obtain all of that just by paying my subscription.

What else besides housing and costume items and pets do you imagine would be on a cosmetic cash shop then? Because I'm having a hard time thinking of anything else. It may be an assumption, but it's a purely logical one. For example, if WS were F2P now, nstead of getting all the new decor that came with drop 5, the majority of that would probably have been released in packages on a cash shop.


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I've always been happy to pay a subscription since the start of MMO's. I understand why, so long as they continue development. The only FTP game I bought things for was planetside 2...way, waaay too much money in fact, but I think SoE are greedy little s***s due to the way they sold things like, for example - Tier 1 shotguns. Then once enough had been sold, they put them on sale. (anything that went on sale was a sign it was going to be nerfed). Like always, the tier 1 shotgun got nerfed. If it needed it, fine...but two things with this, don't *cupcake*ing sell a s**t ton THEN nerf them ages down the line and secondly, don't nerf it then *cupcake*ing release a tier 2 version with almost identical stats except for being slightly stronger than the original stats on the tier 1. But I hate, hate, HATE FTP games. I stopped when SWTOR went FTP, same as rift and DDO. I think it's a dirty dirty thing, but at the same time, I don't begrudge someone else for doing it, I just don't want it affecting me. Warcraft is the worst however having to buy the game, expensive as hell expansion packs, a subscription AND a *cupcake*ing cash shop. I will always pay for a subscription but if they start adding stuff in the cash shop that I won't get in a subscription then I will be done. I don't mind if they go FTP as long as they handle it properly and that a subscription is still there. One way they could counter your argument is by renting, and those with a subscription can rent the items but if you lose the subscription you get 4-5 days (so people can resub in time) before the items are moved to your crate in a locked area. Another way would be that you could only get the items if you subscribe for 3 months (those already that have been subscribed for 3 months can get whatever it is). If they go F2P fine, I won't like the kiddiwinks that come with it but I love Wildstar enough to put up with them, but the minute they introduce a cash shop that has stuff (ESPECIALLY for housing) that a sub won't get then I'm out, and with a very bitter taste left in my mouth. If they handle it properly then I'll stay subbed even if it is free. Edit - I think guild wars has a decent cash shop. They could add tools to it like guild wars that give a special animation, I wouldn't even mind so much if it gave 1 extra wood / metal etc I guess, prefer not to but I wouldn't rage over it. They could add extra plots - It's a bit iffy for me but it's a one off purchase I wouldn't mind so much, I do NOT want decor / lights / pets in the cash shop though as I love collecting things.


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Look at SW:TOR. A small number of costumes got added outside of their cash shop. With a few notable exceptions those non-cash shop outfits are UGLY and not even fun ugly (eg. monster/horror movie). TOR's version of the chop shop? Cash shop currency only. There are no tradable tokens for that. (Cash shop items can be placed on their auction house). Assumption? How about: Been there, done that. Cash shops work because they allow those willing to pay more per month to do so. When that's introduced as the main funding model it creates a huge disincentive to making new and good looking sets available via IG means. It's like a drug addiction. It starts out small and with the grandest of intentions, only a few choice pieces but as time goes on (and the investors get anxious) more an more cosmetics shift out of the game and into the shop. Stipends are also a giggle. I don't think I've ever heard of one that covers the cost of every cash shop item. As was pointed out before, if it did then there's no reason to pay more than a sub and that's the whole point behind cash shops.


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How is it pay-to-win?


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Actually... GW2 has content on their cash shop, they are the old living story missions. But you can buy cash shop currency with ingame money so you can get them without spending any real money for them but these missions are not big part of the gameplay


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The issue is coming to an agreement on what is Pay 2 win for the sake of argument you could pick one definition and insist that everyone in the discussion use that definition but you are never actually going to get a consensus on what Pay 2 win is. There are almost as many ways to interpret Pay 2 win as there are players

RIft is one that is very good at that. Technically the gear on the cash shop is not the best gear you can get, except for the majority it is the best gear they can realistically hope to get.


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This game doesn't have the phrase "Star Wars" in the title.


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And yet, this game still doesn't have the phrase "Star Wars" in the title.


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SWTOR is an example of how you don't do Free to Play.

IT's an awful stupid system.


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Does not compute?!?! Anyways, Marvel Heroes' F2P is pretty awesome. It's completely free no sub at all. You can buy Heroes and costumes for real money or but them with in game currency. I think that costumes drop too, but don't quote me on that. I think the only thing that you really need to buy is extra bank slots if you want, but they're like 2.50 for an extra 50-100 slots.


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lol ok, I more meant when trying to be cheeky about something. Nice catch out blue :-P


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