117681-credd-expiry-why-massive-turn-off-to-potential-returners

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If you've unsubbed, but you wanted to return, say, a year later, you'd either have to consume a CREDD or pay $15 once every 3 months just to log in for a few seconds to be counted as active.


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That is one theory. I do however also have a feeling that it could make people who has chosen to be away for more than 3 months less interested in returning, if they immediately gets met by a pay wall before they even know if they want to become invested in the game again. Having CREDD with no expiration date could solve this problem if people wanted to wait till the game does something that catches their actual interest, rather than "forcing" them to return if they don't want their CREDD to expire.


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Legal issues aside, there is no such thing as an organized returner. There are only two common scenarios, A. Someone is forced to be unable to play for some duration that covers the CREDD expiry period. B. Someone does not want to play Wildstar in its current state, typically this is also reinforced by none of their friends playing it any longer (social momentum issue). So, they would only return when an event X occurs, where X is some important game fix, or big news or a hype train restarting via social networks. What you do not get is a player organizing an exact day or time they will relog into an activity they had no longer any direct interest in or dislike or unable to, just to check up on it. Do you check up on an ex-relationship every period to find out what happened to them? No, you wait you until news about them hits you on the grapevine or do a completely random check because you happened to be thinking about them. In other words, there are and will be far more situations where CREDD will expire than a player would return to even check on Wildstar.


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I should clarify... Unused CREDD in account inventory does not get consumed automatically. Mine expired a day earlier than expected in October. At the time I was debating if I should take a break or not and that sort of made my decision for me. (Said break only lasted two weeks :ph34r:)

Not sure I understand what you're saying? Like I pointed out above, none of the CREDD in my account inventory got used. I did get prompted to use one by the client and it took me clicking the button to do so to reactivate my account. My expectation was that I had 90 days to do so until they went poof.

I don't remember #2. The only thing I could find (quickly) was the following excerpt from this knowlegebase article Once Claimed, C.R.E.D.D. can no longer be gifted. Unused C.R.E.D.D. may expire if left on an account that has been without an active subscription for three months.What's the definition of "Unused"? If they had stated "Unclaimed" that would clearly match your #2 but they didn't. Claimed CREDD sits in your account inventory until you convert it into 30 days of game time or sell it on the CREDD market. Kinda sounds like "left on account" to me. If you've got a link to a Carbine statement that clearly states #2 that'd be great and probably moot 90% of the concerns of this thread.


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This is incorrect. CREDD of any type expires because it is all the same CREDD. CREDD in-game does not exist unless someone purchased it and claimed it. Used CREDD is CREDD already applied to your game time. Obviously, this will not expire, because it is already converted to game time which has a fixed end date, i.e. the CREDD currency no longer exists.


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AFAIK, if I have unused CREDD and go on a 6 month hiatus from the game, no amount of logging in between when my subscription ended and the next time I plan on playing is going to keep that CREDD from expiring. I would have to pay for a month's worth of sub time (or use CREDD) within 90 days of my subscription ending to reset the "90 day" timer for CREDD.


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It prevents hoarding and market manipulation.

Well it is a sub game. If we wanted to argue about that the game should cost nothing to return to, then we might as well ask "why is this not free to play?".

Well for example all of gift vouchers have an expiry date.


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So just so that I understand your reasoning clearly on this, are you saying that when you bought CREDD, the three month expiration window didn't exist? Or is it just that you made a deal that had terms and restrictions, and now that they're coming into effect, you don't want to abide by them? The good reason for CREDD to expire is that you bought it with an expiration date. If you didn't like the expiration date, you didn't have to buy it. CREDD isn't intended to be a "let the rest of us pay for further development while you go elsewhere" ticket. It never was. Edit: Edited to remove my kneejerk response to dfjdejulio, which I thought was more pointed than would be helpful and rewrote--without deleting the first version. Ooops. My bad.


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I really don't understand why you are defending this. It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is to "log in" once every three months. The principal is that subscription time shouldn't expire like that. Game items shouldn't expire like that.

Because they are not subscribed...


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I'm sure the military folk who are about to unsub for a year, will be able to plan around it. Either convert the CREDD to platinum and experience inflation like they always did in other games when they went off for 12 months, or organise getting a friend/family member to hold CREDD for them while they're away. I still don't see how Carbine implementing the system that they announced is a "massive turn off to potential returners". Someone's decision to return to the game is far more likely to be related to whether they think they will enjoy playing it again than it is to be linked to CREDD expiring after 3 months of inactivity like they knew it was always going to.


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And I have noticed that this question has been asked but never answered, yeah. :D I think the hypothetical is worth discussing simply because Carbine reserves the right to make CREDD expire, for sure. But I agree that it's not quite as important if it IS purely a retained right and not one that's actually exercised. So I'll add my voice to the call. Has anyone ever actually had their CREDD expire on them? Anyone?


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You need to do more than just unsub for CREDD to take affect you actually need to "use the credd" for the subscription. WHen I unsubbed I needed to actually go in and use the up credd it did not do it automatically.


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Well it's not like someone without an active account can log on to tell you they don't have an active account.


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