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Lol you could have 40 seconds and it really wouldn't matter. Besides at lvl 10 what do you have on your bars to not have an interrupt? You don't even have enough assault abilities


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I leveled a character to 50 not too long after original launch. The reason it got a bad name was because it used to be poorly optimized, even for me. But aside from that the community itself isn't toxic. The only real toxic people are the ones like the original poster who run their mouth when told they are doing something wrong because they don't know the game. And when you have a lack of experience playing challenging games combined with a poor attitude towards those trying to explain the game to you then the outcome isn't going to be pretty. The fact is that this game is more difficult to play for most people, even those who are expereinced in playing MMOs, and they are coming into a game assuming they can use the same old tactics of blasting your mouth to get through the game, except in this case he was kicked out. So yes, you can say stuff like they have been trying to shed a toxic/elitist stigma since original launch, but you can also pay attention to facts and reality to understand that the people who are saying this are the most toxic people in the community. In fact it's pretty much only the people with toxic personalities that are flaming wildstar and it's community up. It's up to you to differentiate between fact and fiction, not for wildstar or its community to decide for you.


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Just calling it like I see it here.

Yeah, in the absence of definitive proof there's just a lot about this guy we don't know. :rolleyes:

"Understand both sides"? I understand your position just fine. I just don't agree with it. And if you don't want to respond, you certainly don't have to. As for my motivations, there are behaviors that I have seen happen a lot in this game and on these forums that gave this game and its community a terrible reputation back at the launch of P2P, followed by a massive exodus of players and the game's financial model utterly collapsing because the community had been purified down to something very cohesive but too small to be viable. I see a lot of those same behaviors reappearing at the launch of F2P, and I'm not just sitting back and watching it happen this time. To the extent that I see you participating in those behaviors, you can pretty much count on me to show up and do what I can to make sure it's clear to the people posting and reading that not everyone in the community shares those perspectives.


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Have what? Players who want to have fun and experience the game for the first time by playing it themselves rather than by watching someone else tell them how to do it? How awful. How unacceptable.

Having done both Protogames Academy and the Gatekeeper in TSW, I can say with confidence that the Gatekeeper does a much better job of making sure that each and every player understands the mechanics and class roles better than the Academy ever will. Because if each and every player doesn't demonstrate that they can fulfill their role without having someone else pick up their slack, the Gatekeeper does not let them into the Nightmare mode dungeons.

They don't, unfortunately. The solo instances--Expeditions, they're called--are designed to be much easier and more forgiving than any of the group instances. They may be fun, but the Veteran Expeditions are intended to provide challenge appropriate for new level 50 players who still haven't figured out what their gadget slot is for. In this game, the developers have decreed that difficulty and group size are inextricably linked. The smaller the group, the easier and less rewarding the content is. Edit: In fact, an interesting point strikes me here. I was able to solo and gold medal all Veteran Expeditions long before I was able to solo normal-mode dungeons that I had outleveled 30 levels earlier. That's how different the expeditions and the dungeons are in terms of difficulty.

Edited October 9, 2015 by yasfan


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There's nothing wrong with someone wanting to learn the fights without a video or instruction. But you also can't be upset and uninstalling based on toxic people who do have an issue with it. That's kind of the nature of the beast when it comes to pugging things now a days. There are some that will help you out. There are some that will be royally pissed off. Which is why most people try to form their own groups for runs. Whether its to learn the dungeon or to speed run it makes no difference. And yes you should form a group to learn it because with a lot of vets being very overgeared it makes cheesing a lot of mechanics very easy so you really don't get to learn like you should. As for their relationship on the forums ... most people who don't want the game to change just for the sake of being easy have issue's with Yas as he/she is a big advocate for making the game very easy which most of us do not want in any way. MMO's should have a challenge to them and should require teamwork (it is a social game after all) but some people prefer the wow route of being able to Q and spam 1 button to victory and free purps.


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That's because no one wants to explain strats again for the 1000th time when clearing GA with a new person. Easier to have them watch the vid's. You don't need to know everything but it gives you the base idea behind the strat and what needs to happen.


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