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I think both sides should just leave Nexus alone because there are already other sentient races occupying it and pretty much all of them aren't interested in sharing space. I do agree that both technically have rights to claim it, but the Dominion would have a better claim than the Exiles. At the very least, the Luminai would have the strongest claim and they are part of the Dominion. I also feel like the Exiles rejected the Eldan's legacy (which is actually pretty horrible, damn hubris) by splitting off from the Dominion. There's some fun debate that can happen because Drusera did technically lead Dorian Walker to Nexus, but it's not like she rejects your help if you're on the Dominion side. All in all, I think either perspective is valid in terms of claims unless we can ask either Drusera or an Eldan about this. Though I guess most people aren't happy with such a vague response because only whatever side one is arguing for has to be right and everyone else is crazy. :lol:

If the content is mirrored, then I feel like your argument is that both sides save the day about equally in-game. Is this true or am I misinterpreting?

According to the Dominion perspective, all Exiles are terrorists. Also, the mining operation was built on Dominion territory in Deradune. If the Dominion tried to take over a region in Celestion, that would also be an infringement on Exile territory. Actually, that did happen. Razen the Preyfinder occupied a small part of Celestion. Also, I disagree that Lex is ever used to fuel Dominion propaganda. I would agree if you had used Axis Pheydra instead, but Agent Lex works in the shadows. Most Dominion citizens are unaware of what he does (most of it at least). I'm not sure Pheydra is in the public eye often but I feel like she at least spins propaganda from behind the scenes. Also, the claim that the Exiles seek to destroy the Dominion has some truth to it. Serrick Brightland literally did want to destroy the Dominion. Most likely not kill everyone, but he wanted to take out the leaders at least. Durek Stonebreaker pretty much said that he wanted to destroy the Dominion in Galeras during the Falkrin War. In response to the corrupt priest, I'm sure Toric would have stopped him if he announced his intention to poison the Pell. . . but he kinda did that in secret which is why everyone was surprised. Even if you couldn't stop the event from happening, you did prevent future ones from happening again by taking out the corrupt priest. I actually think this is a really good quest chain because it shows that the Dominion does not approve of such actions. As for the Councilor, this is once again a case of you literally not being aware of what is happening until it happens.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Spider Bro Jenkins


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A- What terrorist attack? You keep going on and on about "Terrorism" stemming from Brightland's rebellion YET CLEARLY in the written timeline Brightland DID not attack the civilian population but help aid and become the leader of the Rebellion who started a civil war with the military who chose deadly force in subduing the ensuing protests and clashes stemming from Vigilant/Ancestral decree which was both unjust and false. Yes there is no cure for the contagion but they have at least found a way to at least prevent it from spreading. But what if the Dominion chose to help or provide some help in stemming the contagion? The cure could have been found already with the help of the Mechari and the knowledge base of Nexus. Instead they chose to bury Grismara and the Mordesh who thought the Dominion were allies (Due in short of becoming official dominion member) were forced to seek other means when Victor managed to at least stall the contagion and prevent it from spreading. B-  Really, so a child who had no part in the civil war lost and is forced to live and die in a cryopad through 3 centuries is to be called a terrorist when there only crime was being a son of a freedom fighter. Because once you are labelled a terrorist you and everyone after you is a terrorist now? By that definition everyone in America are terrorists, Everyone who was part of Che's revolution and every free french survivors and their familial line are terrorists today because they were labelled as terrorists in their time I guess. No of course not, that is completely and absolutely ridiculous. C- Do you know why I keep comparing Avra to Mondo? Because Mondo does what he pleases. Nobody but the emperor has control over Mondo Zax or DREDplex and he who builds the biggest nuke wins the war. Both Avra and Mondo are off the hinge and often takes extreme if not completely innane measures and ideas to deal with situation at hand often including the death of their assistants without concern. Axis is far different in that she prefers efficiency and usually relies on Lex to do a clean job while Mondo and Avra often overkills the entire situation. D- Am I saying the Exiles are entlrely good? No. I see that both factions are morally grey and have been doing so but there are reasons and facts in the game that point otherwise that muddle the moral grey area. You keep referencing the Exiles through the dominion side which is not entirely true and the Exiles are more than the "terrorists" that Dominion declares to be when we know from the Exiles side they aren't. We must stand at the line that divides each side and see them as they are; Rebels and Empire. As for your Exile examples no of course not. The Mordesh Alchemists in Ellevar weren't there to deliberately attack the Dominion (Toric would have rallied the entire legion or would've hulk smashed them by the time you landed otherwise) but to study the region for a clue to contagion (And ignoring safety regulations since they have no need being "zombies"). The Exiles in entirety are not to be blamed for Auroria as incident WAS solely done by Avra's personal whim. As burning farms? The DREDPLEX was BUILT as a Farm village as camouflage to hide itself. No the complex itself held no biological chemicals that led to the plague itself; The DREDPLEX held military technology as well as a means to make wolverines that the XAS decided to steal in their ongoing needs to match dominion technology (Fight fire with fire until Mondo builds a bonfire). The Exiles as a faction are never there to "Burn down villages", they are simply there doing their own things with Avra taking a step further (One could say the Auroria plague was retaliation for the Chua chemical attack on Galeras farms). E- The squirg already existed as seen on Farside and it was referenced that the Eldan actually buried the Squirg due to their initial use of the terraformer in the highly unstable region. How is it the fault of XAS that they didn't know what is underneath the earth when I could say the same for the Collegium? Neither side had any tangible strides especially for the Collegium who might I remind you are continously being hampered by the Church. F- How about you replay the arc too then? The Corporal didn't immediately call out Toric with Zin and neither did Toric's journal mentioned anything about Zin. It was only when Kevos tells you Zin is missing and the journal entry for today is missing when Toric kept daily routine of his job jotted down by the hour and minute that the Corporal immediately jumped to the conclusion Toric could be out there with Zin. Again, the reason why the Corporal demanded the Commander to be investigated was he thought he was slacking off like the usual snobs in charge and wasn't trying to do his job and breaking his vows/oaths to the church. if that can happen to Toric, then why not the PASTOR who is STANDING in the CHURCH. Yes there are priests out there in the field but these are priests who are assigned to various detachments who are stationed in various areas investigating the Eldan disappearance, while this priest's station was IN the church. That is what I'm pointing out. G-  Yes the Eldan were close to gods but they created life through technology. That would calling the Scientists today creating clones "Gods" which isn't accurate. That is why they sought to create A god that could create life and anything else through pure will alone. NO, Toric is NOT with you when his brother augments himself, you leave him for dead but he still manages with his dying breath to augment himself and went on to create the Ascendancy while you had to write a report for Toric on why his brother is suddenly dead. Yes, i remember these quest as they were. H - Again, no re-read on the Luminai Project and Ellevar region. The Luminai were not A project or part of Phase 1 and indeed were not needed at all. It was a side project or most likely something Jariel wanted to do after the creation of Drusera considering the very needed designs came from not Eldan but another party. The Protocols required vast amount of raw primal energy concentrated together for fusion, but the Eldan had no idea if it was possible and thus the Phase 1 of Nexus was to being with the Shapers terraforming various regions to build up those energies with Ellevar being one of the regions that later brought the Eldans to Phase 2 with the creation of focus and protocols which lead to Phase 3 and Genesis Prime. The living beings were experimented on and created to test through terraforming the region with primal energy and fusing them indirectly by nature or unbalance by  terraformer and this provided the intelligence needed for the creation of the Focuses.. NOT Luminai. Luminai and Cassian Initiative was said to be highly controversial most likely because it meant the Eldans mixing their own primal pattern with a lesser species for an empire which had no need or want in the Nexus Project. The ultimate motive and needs as well as why specifically the need TO create an empire is still unclear though it may have to do with the "party" or race Jariel had contacts with to which Zarkonis (Or Nazerik? I cant get these 2 lunatics right) figured out somehow and tampered with the Genesis prime project. Why, again the biggest mysteries of the Eldan are yet to be revealed but the answers are most likely in Zin's head but not accessible right now. And no, the Mechari were not essential the project or had no part in the project itself at all except acting as the 2 way radio. For the most part they were going around surveying and "evolutionizing" various species they deemed worth to uplift (Chuas for one example). J -  In the 2nd quest in which you visit Exo Lab Prime the Caretaker himself says Drusera isn't Eldan and Drusera replied stating she was much more than Eldan. Drusera is not a ascended form of the Eldan who were fused together but a new life form created that is for all intents and purposes a God. Yes, she is made of Eldan, but is she not THE Eldan as it was only 6 Eldan and the Archon deemed that she should be created with the best minds of the Orders to ensure that they get a better result. She is a creation of THE Eldan, but she is also the legacy that the Eldan created and is the living embodiment of Eldan(90% Eldan and 10% other to be more precise) technology. The Orders then were  tasked to train and teach her how to wield her powers as a God creating friends wiith various Eldans. Yes the Luminai by genetics and being part of Jariel has a birthright, but Drusera is the last living member of the 6 orders thus has full rights to the planet as it is where she was also "born" on and her homeworld for centuries (With unfortunate issues). The Eldan did not ascend, they were wiped out or corrupted by the strain.


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