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That still does not justify having to pay more each month if they whatever company your subscribed to wants 20 dollars a month then they should make it just that. The point here is that something like this will drive players away sure you can try and justify a company by saying these things but in the end they still have to show true customer service if they want business. You do not go into an establishment and purchase a meal and the waiter tells you there are hidden costs if you want the full meal, that is bad for business period. Spending money should be more optional and not stuck behind unless you grind lots and lots unless have to pay more.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Xorian


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so  u go into a store and buy a meal (i assume that means u are a subscriber?) and then they ask you for extra hidden costs? In this case the extra hidden cost is for you to get it quicker so by turn skipping the line of everyone else who also payed for the meal ... bad analogy here


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+1 agreed sorry for my part  :P


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Oh look...the classic rallying cry of those that want to cry entitled but have nothing to add to the conversation. Let's break this down slowly for you. Games are designed to be a source of entertainment first and foremost. The metric most would use to gage the success of a given game, at a personal level at least, would be how much enjoyment the game provided relative to the time put in. I don't think I've said anything crazy in the last couple of sentences, but I'm sure you'll go to great length to let me know if for some weird reason you think otherwise. For a lot of people, grinding currency is not an enjoyable activity. Often the associated tactics to earn gold efficiency are a mixture of slow, mindless, and boring...not to mention they're solo activities that a lot of people who like to play these so called 'massively multiplayer' games are generally not interested. You can talk about how easy plat is to earn until your blue in the face, the fact is there's a sizable portion of the population that doesn't want to deal with it. How do I know this? Because the CREDD market exists and people are actively buying token to turn into plat. For those gamers, time spent gold grinding is time spent not enjoying what they are doing. It's time they could otherwise spend doing the things they like. Not to mention trying new things they otherwise won't, because the over reliance on high play costs makes doing other things feel difficult. Are you a raider that wants to get into housing? Well now you have to consider the added cost of maintaining raid expenses AND the cost of procuring items for your plot. That translates to more time grinding, which some people just might not have the will or time to do. Which means that these absurd costs are actively barring people from experiencing a lot of what this game has to offer. That will also come back to bite Carbine financially. Going back to my last example, why would someone ever consider buying something from the housing section of the store if they feel like they can't afford to cover the in game costs of the system. So no, people who hate dealing with these kinds of mindless grinds aren't inherently lazy. They value the limited time they have for entertainment, and want to get the most value from that time. If a game is only fun some of the time, it's arguably failing at its intended purpose. I've played games where getting loot drops feels like a punishment due to the associated cost of equipping those items appropriately. I'm happy many games have gradually moved away from that design.


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Only if you ask for them, the difference is the runes are kind of needed for raids. And actually most food places do not charge extra for that stuff you get plenty but maybe fast food.


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they are giving you the OPTION to put the rune in. a option that has not existed before. they are not forcing you to do it.

Edited October 9, 2015 by furoflo


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thing is, if you continue to do dungeons while u lvl u will get replacements for those ... if u run more than one of the dungeon per 5lvl gap then you will be flooded with these (if you can win them that is)... no need to pay 5 service tokens every time :D


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Adding a slot on ilvl 120 gear is 2.5plat not 56 gold


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Great to hear, and I do hope some tweaks are made! :)


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Can you "honestly" say that rune extraction for Service Tokens only isn't going to make a large number of people feel like it's P2W? We're talking about feelings now not semantics. Why should I reserve my Omnibits or pay extra RL cash just for the privilege of keeping my gear up to date or regress in ability? Personally I like the core rune revision. What's significantly broken with it are these P2W features (reroll cost, lack of for plat removal) and the seriously limited supply of materials to make Pure and Divine runes. The most reliable source of the fragments comes from salvaging glory gear and for that you need to have taken down the first boss of each raid (X-89 for Pures, System Daemons for Divines). The non-class set focuses only drop from mini-bosses and raid bosses which make them only slightly less rare than the class set focuses. That's insane. Pre Drop 6 we could get the materials to manage our raid runing from contracts and dailies. Now they've removed that incentive. So what's my motivation for doing contracts now?


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how is it essential though? it is not essential is crafting the rune set, extraction is the by pass which you pay for with cash if the runes were dropped complete (would make them extremely rare are 3 stats x 6 classes x2 roles would make finding the one u need an extreme grind and destroying it would be the worst thing u could do) then having to pay to extract would be absolute and utter bs as it is now essential (as getting another one of those runes is 1/36 chance per boss ...

Edited October 9, 2015 by Genoshock


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agreed but you need to remember ... right now its like a massive lake with no water and a tiny stream so it seems like this is going to be endless but once more people enter ga/ farm dungeons then that stream is going to turn into a river and then a torrent... Yes right now it seems that they are ridiculously rare but thats because there are like what 6 guilds in ga and 3 in ds or something per server ... I hope f2p will increase that to atleast 20 guilds and 10 guilds in the near (3 month range) future... Once you get to ds and start getting ds gear u will slowly be running that with divine runes anyway ... you can add highs at 1st ... 1 piece of gear with high runes wont hurt u that much ... When u enter ds u can farm the probes before u actually kill sd ... u will get glory for them too (like 47 each or something so not bad not great but not bad)  Those probes seem to drop the same shit every time ... number of times we have got "firm grasps" now is we could probably have given them to every single person attuned to ds (about 35 now) and still have some left over... there will always be salvage so dont worry


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and you will be fine dont worry ... you will be entering ga in ilvl 80 gear ... u dont NEED the pure runes but they help ... alot of ga is more about control (until u get to phagemaw) and not dying than it is about nuking (look at genetic monstrosity as an example ... if u dps however u like u will wipe howver if u are controlled and noone dies then u will kill it and get some start ga gear You can also farm the loot pinyata and salvage 99% of this drops after like the 3rd run Dont worry and dont think its as complicated as all that


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