142787-suggestion-daily-account-bound-cap-on-votes-to-kickdisband

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I do. But I also realize that groups of 3-4 people can join the queue to stack the deck and dominate the vote. I'm not trying to limit people from the ability to kick out particularly egregious problems. But if you farm queues and pugs dozens of times a day and quit/kick more often then not, you are abusing that system and need to form a guild/premade group. And to be clear, the reason that I'm suggesting that Carbine check the metrics is because they are the only ones who can tell whether this is a significant problem or not. The rest of us are all, by definition, going off of anecdotal evidence.


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this goes in the correct direction but i would rather take the guy with runes and 2000AP/SP and +5amps/aps than the guy with 2500AP and 20 higher itemlvel who does not have a rune in it and 3 amps/aps. gearscore is a terrible system.


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A few weeks ago, I would've argued against some kind of minimum gear score--but it seems like a much more reasonable idea in light of the fact that players ding at 50, get the attunement quest, and are told to go into the dungeons. I have no doubt that most of the players who go there are simply trying to do what they've been told to do. Honestly, even a quest as part of attunement before the one sending folks to the dungeons that just says "Improve Your Gear: Reach An Average Gear iLevel of 70 Or Higher" and notes for players that they can improve their gear in any of several ways through Vet Expeditions, Vet Shiphands, PvP, Crafting, or even the Auction House if they're in a hurry would probably remove most of the problem with undergeared people trying to get in. That being said, I expect that at least some players who want to farm the dungeon do not view the intended minimum gear as anywhere near what they would consider the minimum gear for a team they're willing to actually run with, and this will not address that problem.

I'm fine with this one as well--I don't see a downside to it.

I really think that a cap on votekick/votedisband is not an issue of "punishing veteran players" and putting it in those terms is a mistake. I expect that most veteran players do not abuse the vote kick/ vote disband functions, they use them as they were intended to be used: for extremely problematic players and instances that are genuinely a lost cause. But signing up for a random dungeon bonus and then queuephishing until you land in STL with a full group of overgeared players is not what that system was ever intended to do and it makes it very hard to do certain instances without a full premade even using the queues. That's a problem for the entire playerbase, not just new players--although it certainly hits new players more than everyone else. If you only want to run a particular dungeon, you should not be signing up for random dungeons in the first place. If you only want to run with a team that has specific characteristics, you should not be in the queue until you have that team. It is not "punishing" players to limit their ability to spam a function that was never meant to be spammed in the first place.


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Being expected to drag a clueless undergeared player through content they have no business attempting isn't being a jerk. Neither is kicking them for it. There are restrictions on content for a reason. People that spend the time to learn the content and gear appropriately for it shouldn't be made to feel like jerks because they don't feel like carrying someone that wishes to bypass the hard work and skip right to the rewards. If the people doing the kicking are being verbally abusive (the only way I can conceive your above quote to be true), that is entirely another matter; but no one said anything about that, only kicking inexperienced / undergeared players from the group. Like I said, you can white knight this cause all you want. It's not going to change a single thing. You play your way, and that's great. Nothing wrong with having people that have the patience to hand hold new players, everyone starts somewhere. However, it shouldn't be expected of everyone, and others shouldn't look down their nose at people that don't wish to play in that manner. That's what I meant by allowing people to play the way they wish to play.


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