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Not with a subscription model. That does not work. The company's direction with subscription still needs to be focused on content quality and content release rate.


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They already produce enough fluf... 55 new pets in the next drop and now these items in the mystery boxs as well.


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I have 3 plat. Yeah. Seriously, I just came back to the game and this mystery box drama is the first thing that hits me as I walk in the door. Not a great start. :(


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If you think this is bad, you should have seen the recent GW2 expansion stress test. ArenaNet made the mistake of calling people who got invited "some of our most loyal fans." People who didn't get in FLIPPED OUT. "WHAT I'VE BEEN PLAYING SINCE GW1 AND I SPENT $1,000,000 IN YOUR GEM STORE AND IM NOT LOYAL??!!!!! RAAAAGEEEE!!!!" It was pretty great. Or their April Fools joke where everyone had their arms stuck out to the side like an airplane. A lot of people got offended because there had just been a plane crash somewhere. But yeah when I played last night people were saying either "man I wish I had that" or "I wish we had a cash shop, I'd buy those."


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At first from the one video and the pictures I've seen out of context(people on their plots alone or isolated) it seemed fine, but after logging in and seeing the mounts in person it does feel over the top even for Wildstar. I would more like to see a mount that has 4+ bloated Vind strapped to a lawn chair and has a propeller strapped to the back. I think as me and a couple of friends said though the mounts feels overly "Aurin", but I'd have to agree that it doesn't seem fitting.

This is my observation as well, Just like the thread theres a lot of mixed reactions to it, ranging from some not caring at all to others being rather furious.


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When it was announced, they said it was for the physical box only. Did they change this?


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That's why it's "grey" instead of "black" ;)


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It probably needs to be pointed out more often, since it appears a lot of people are raging over nothing.

If obtaining these items and title is important to you and you don't want to spend real money, then farm the plat. If it isn't important enough to farm the plat, then what's the problem?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but, aside from CREDD, I don't think there is a single item in this game that is tradeable between players and is bound to an account when used. If I am correct in this, then adding it in could potentially require a fair amount of development time, just to ease people's entitlement issues.

The fact that these items are BoE is completely contrary to this argument. They are BoE so that players can obtain them without spending more real world money.

Its not nearly as bad as you make it out to be, since there is a ceiling on how much power you can buy. The CREDD sellers will get there first, but your other two groups will absolutely catch up.


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I appreciate your agreement with the general reality of how it works, since that's a refreshing level of honesty in comparison to many of the posters in recent threads. Thank you for that. And in fairness, you're completely correct--I forgot to bring up the exception, and it does exist. Anyone who's hit the top of all the things they choose to continue progressing on, you can't tell anymore whether they buy CREDD, use cash, or use CREDD. So the system is only cash-stratified for players who haven't capped out all of the various forms of progression they might be interested in: gear-, rune-, AP-, AMP point-, PvP rating-, mount-, crafting skill-, dye-, and decor-based maxima.

So... since this is the only element of your post that is any different from lots of other BoE items that cost outrageous amounts of plat, am I right in thinking that they could satisfy your complaint by introducing this item as a random world drop with a probability of showing up of 0.0000000000000000001%? Then you could bypass all those AH-using cash-based items by just grinding it out like people currently do with Supernova White Dye.

On the other hand, if you didn't even know the game existed until today, you'd never get a really cool spaceship house. And those who preordered did. No effort necessary. So as a new customer who wanted a spaceship house, you'd be screwed with absolutely no options at all. Just because you'd never even heard of the game prior to launch. So the "when you buy the game matters" element has been here since Day 1, nothing new to see there.


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I get ya, I just don't think Carbine are the type to screw over their player base.


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I think, more than likely, the original plan is that these items will be available in a Cash Shop soon, or given to subscribers as a bonus if the game changes business models (which seems much more likely to happen at this point). TERA had a similar box deal shortly before changing their business model as well.


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I think the CREDD argument is more of an issue of whether or not being able to sell CREDD and get plat to buy AMPs and whatnot constitutes P2W in people's minds. Selling vanity pets, mounts and cosmetic items in a Cash Shop in a subscription-based game just rubs people the wrong way since they already have to spend money to continue playing. Granted, the items we're talking about can be sold on the AH, but the prices people are selling them at are well above what most people can hope to afford. Cash Shops don't belong in a P2P game, IMHO. I mean, a special vanity pet where the proceeds go to a charity or something is fine, but if the contents of The Deep Dive are all in a Cash Shop, people are not going to be happy. In a hybrid game, subscribers tend to get a monthly stipend of Cash Shop currency. Not that that doesn't introduce other issues (Cash Shop prices and bloat of items based around subscriber stipend, items priced just above stipend to entice spending, lockboxes), but at least items tend to be more available to subscribers without spending real money, and, in the case of SWTOR, a lot of what is in the Cash Shop makes its way to the AH at reasonable prices.


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