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That's a one time deal which contributes to the price of the founder's packs. People are asking Carbine to add a monthly supply of free virtual currency that could be spent in any NCSoft game's cash shop on top of what is already offered in WildStar's existing Signature plan. I can see that mattering to NCSoft a great deal.

Edited October 2, 2015 by MadBlue


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People are paying $15 for a subscription to WildStar that doesn't include a stipend. Giving away $5 worth of free NCoins a month that can be used in any NCSoft game's cash shop, on top of that, has the potential of eating into the profits made by the cash shops in other games. For example, say I save 2,000 NCoins from my WildStar stipend and I use them to purchase something in B&S's cash shop. NCSoft makes no money from that.

Edited October 3, 2015 by MadBlue


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yes they do.


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I feel like you'd also consider us entitled if we didn't sub either. So there's no winning with you. :P I want to stay a subscriber, but I just don't feel what is currently offered makes it worth it to me. I never cared about all the boosts. I dislike the cartoony style of the game so most of the vanity items (mounts, pets, costumes, etc.) also don't appeal to me. I've also subscribed long enough to have full social access without a subscription. What I do want are the costume, holowardrobe, inventory, commodity exchange, auction house, decor, and character slot unlocks. The omni-bit boost would make it worth it if we had a higher cap. Right now, it just seems better for me to use the cash shop to get the things I actually want instead of subscribing. If they increased a subscriber's omni-bit cap or offered an omni-bit stipend, I would be more inclined to renew my subscription.


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I was dissapointed we dont get NC coins for sub too. But unlike SWTOR or other games, we have omnibits and subscribers will sooner or later get omnibit buff. Considering everything in shop except shinny coins for that weird lopp can be bought by omnibits (and it is even its value in NC coins halved in matter of omnibits) it is in the end even better then simply throwing money at us for subscription. After all if you subscribed you are planning on playing anyway so you get your worth of monthly omnibits and what is better - you get them even if you dont subscribe. What could be done in terms of cricket in my eyes is: Giving subscribers some shiny tokens so that we might try that feature without spending more money as it is currently only feature subscriber cannot do without addational money dump. 50% bonus omnibits cap increase


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Thanks for listening and passing it along. Acknowledgment!


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This. It's in the mathssss. If you give signature more than the omnibit buff, prices for cash shop are readjusted to hit targets.


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Here is the thing. After subscribing for so long, you begin to overpay for features like this that can be unlocked with a one time fee from the store. Thats why "Bonuses" like this dont seem worth it in the long run. For instance. Lets say a sub gave you 12 characters per server (thats 24 characters total). F2P players get 2 per server to start. That means they would need to buy 20 more slots to equal that of a subscriber (if subs got 12 per server). For 15 a month, you can get 1200 NCoin. 1 character slot costs 230 NCoin. That means you can buy at least 5 slots per month doing this. After 4 months of paying 15 dollars for NCoin, you will have unlocked all 20 additional character slots. At this point, as a non-sub, you are now saving money compared to a subscriber who still must pay 15 a month for the 20 additional slots, for EVERY month beyond this. If you compare someone who subs for a year, vs someone who buys 15 dollars or NCoin every month for a year, the things you can end up buying as a non-sub, is vastly more in value than the subscriber gets. Thats 14,400 NCoin. Which can get you ALL of the things listed below: 20 Additional character slots (equal to what game box owners get - currently subs dont get extra character slots) 10 additonal costume slots (8 more than a game box owner - subs dont get extra) +200 commodity order limts (170 more than a subscriber) +200 Auction and bids limit (170 more than a subscriber) +2000 more Decor limit (1000 more than a game box owner - subs dont get extra) All for 10140 Ncoin. Leaving you 4260 NCoin to spend on things like Mini pets, Mounts, Fortune Coins, Service Tokens and lockbox keys. You could buy: 53 Fortune Coins or... 35 Service Tokens or... 53 Lockbox Keys or... 4 of the 5 existing mounts in the store (with NCoin left over to spare). So after a year of paying the SAME amount of money as a subscriber pays, you end up with quite a bit more value for your money. The only thing you dont get, are the xp/rep/currency buffs, and the ability to form guilds and such. (whoopie!) And if you didnt care about mounts, mini pets or coins and tokens, you could always spend that 4260 NCoin on the stores Xp/currency/Rep flasks instead. The value for the subscription just isnt worth it in comparison The subscription should offer things that you CANT get in the store. I dont mean pay 2 win items like uber weapons and armor. Look at Swtor. Subs get a 12x XP bonus to story missions. This is simply amazing. Its adds a TON of value to the 15 dollars you are spending each month. This is in addition to the nomal bonus % xp buff, money buff, and rep buff you get for subscribing too. Regardless, the thing that needs to be focused on by Carbine is increasing the value of the Subscription. If the value of buying $15 of NCoin each month far exceeds what you get with the 15 a month sub, then their marketing team is doing it wrong. Plain and simple.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Zewks


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Oh, my bad. I hear "theft" and I think "willfully trying to steal from someone" ... and when you CHOOSE to subscribe, no one is robbing you. Well, maybe you're robbing YOURSELF because it's a bunk-ass deal with no perks for the long-time player, but it *is* your choice to subscribe when the options for a smoother game experience are right there in front of you. ;)


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This was over a month ago, and it's a wrong conclusion to draw from this discussion. Adding just an Ncoin stipend with the sub doesn't solve the issue that signature is still not worth having. Say you include a 5$ value of Ncoins with signature - spending 15$ on it is still not worth it, because you'd be paying 15$ to receive 5$ value. It just makes no sense. Signature needs actual perks that people will want, that improve QoL significantly enough to pay for. It doesn't need to be insanely overpowered, but enough to create an incentive for people to sub while not creating a pay to win imbalance. There is very little incentive to sub at the moment and you don't realize you're shooting yourselves in the foot. Double so with some of your questionable store practices. Instead of making people feel happy to give you money, you are driving them away from doing so.


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