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Then (hypothetically) buy $30 of proto-gems or whatever the currency is at the beginning of the month and forget about it. Or buy $30 of mounts or housing items and forget about it. If making the payment at the beginning of the month is the key then stick to that. You're obviously disciplined enough to handle it if you're budgeting right now.


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No. I don't care what other people are doing. I care about my own experience. There is absolutely nothing fun about being asked to spend $15 on a mount, instead of spending $15 on a sub and getting that mount as an in-game achievement reward. There is absolutely nothing fun about being asked to spend $$$ on decor instead of being able to go out and craft, run dungeons, farm mobs, etc for said decor. I know what the next response will be - "so they'll put stuff on the shop but also make it available in-game". In order for them to encourage sales, they have to make it ridiculously painful to almost the point of impossibility to achieve these items through in-game means alone.


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Are you under some misinformed assumption that every artist will be taken off creating content in order to make weapon skins? Do you seriously think it takes as long to create content than it does to make a few one-off skins? I just ... I just better stop now while we're all still friends here. I am coming perilously close to going postal, so I'll just shut up now because you guys are making me crazy with this so-called "logic." Look, let me be blunt: Without MONEY COMING in, LOTS OF MONEY, you're not going to see ANY new adventures, are you? No, you're not. You're going to see this 10-Day trial come and go and everyone who came with it, leave with it, too. Your "everything is fine until Carbine says so" riff is so old, so stale, so obviously short-sighted, I don't even know how you all keep repeating it like a mantra and not slap yourselves for it. Something has to change in order for the game to survive. You guys can keep sticking your heads in the sand all you want and if Carbine follows your advice and does nothing, well ... Hey, I'll see y'all over on the Tabula Rasa forums Oh. Wait.


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But you aren't. You aren't going out and buying CREDD are you? So what's different than right now? You are already making one purchase right now at the beginning of the month, then despite being able to spend more to get plat throughout the month you are sticking to that purchase.


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I see where you're coming from honestly. I obviously know nothing about you aside from what I perceive through your comments but it seems to me that you're already at the level where you could play and not worry about the extras you could buy, because you already have that ability right now but aren't falling for it. And I WISH dinner with my wife was as cheap as a cash shop item haha. More like can I buy these 5 pistols and mount or get dinner with my wife...


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The payment model is the last bastion, really. It used to be that the forums were full of people who had relatively valid criticism of the way loot RNG extended the grinding process, the worth of medals in attunement, even the lack of landscape variety in the last two leveling areas. Now that so much has been improved, we get a lot more of the payment model. I think the last really valid back and forth discussion had here in the last week was on the value of LFR and what we want to see from raids and other instanced content going forward. So since the payment model is something you can guarantee people will fight back about, we're seeing those a lot more regularly.

Whether or not NCSoft axes the game isn't going to be based on changes Carbine makes. NCSoft would drive a payment model change if it's coming, or they'd cancel the game. And that's going to revolve primarily around where they think Wildstar will fit in their existing lineup of games. Considering they axed a marginally profitable City of Heroes freemium game already in the lead-up to GW2 releasing, there's no guarantee NCSoft is going to pay to take another shot at Wildstar as a F2P game without knowing if it's going to gain much of its following from other interests and be another marginal game. People think F2P saves everything; it doesn't.


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Is that a promise? cause i could throw some credd on a bet


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But actually, you can get this stuff without being a part of the promotion. These purchase-exclusive items are BoE. I anticipate they'll be showing up on the auction house at a vastly better plat return on your cash than CREDD provides.

Probably at least as well as Blade and Soul is doing here.


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f2p f2p f2p f2p f2pf2p f2p f2p


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Yeah, irrespective of the F2P argument, I feel that's inconsequential. I don't like the idea of having to pay for a game box again to get an item; all the fun of a cash shop gamble box coupled with all of the commercial quality of driving up the box sales figure. At present, I think this is just a way to get a nice number to drop on a PR jump, because saying they've sold a bunch of game boxes lately would be good PR. If this actually is a F2P transition, I think we can safely say that if we'd leave over the payment model, we've got every reason right here. We've got what would be a preview. So hopefully, this is a one-off promotion that just wasn't done very well. It's certainly not something I'd like to see twice.


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i like your positivism. but lets swallow a bit of reality juice here... there is a fortune to be made with items in cash shop, and not many players to be kept by putting those skins in a dungeon drop table or for sell for reknown currency. do people really want a new cool dungeon like protogame with plenty of new skins in it ? or they rather have some fluffs in the cash shop? MMOFTW mate...


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What they are doing is taking a dump on people like me. Call it business or whatever. Say it's necessary. It isn't right. It isn't cool. And it's not the way you treat people who have supported you. I'd straight up have donated $20 if they'd asked for it. But not this.


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Yeah, I mean, if people have this much trouble with the game now, do you really think that they're going to do a cash shop in a way that doesn't bumble all over the place? Maybe they'll sell in-game nerf guns from the cash shop LOL, or give access to a remote controlled nerf gun to shoot timetravel whenever I want! Real talk though, if they perform a GW2-like fiasco with people's credit cards and hacking, it'll be brand name suicide for the company.


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Hence the problem, current players are the only ones really looking to buy in. If they want new players, they'll have to counter the idea that it's going F2P soon publicly. If they don't, not only are F2P-inclined players going to wait, but P2P-inclined players will wait to see if they'll be moving to another game anyway. The only people who are really going to buy boxes for these items are current players like Phandaal trying to get a better plat return for their money than CREDD and current players who really want those items. A flying cat mount isn't going to convince anyone to play the game. They'd have been better off with that free weekends idea. Either way, a reason the current players are "throwing fits" is that most of us already own the game, subscribe to it, and we paid, in many cases, 60 dollars for a basic game box. If they wanted to pull a quick fix, there are three items. There are several months we didn't get a subscription reward. Just hand out one item for each of three of the months they didn't hand out a reward to the people who were there. Call them subscription rewards.

Catching you up, Vince, yes that's what people said. There's also a promotion now where if you buy a physical game box, you get one of three items in a kind of gamble box. I don't think these are sure signs of F2P, but I think we just got a good look at what they'd do if that's what they wanted to do.


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Strainbait. I like it! And Vic, they definitely need marketing. Posting something on a page that only the curious or already playing will see isn't much for publicity.


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What they need is to give players on the fence about subscribing a reason to trust them and jump in/come back. I'm still a fan of that idea to give one or two free weekends a month, where anyone with an account can play, and drop a subscription reward on all the active players during that timeframe. It'd be a lot more effective at getting the word out. I'm not sure how effectively adding items like this to game boxes would even sell game boxes to new players.

Actually, I did. In fact, I did it again recently in a REALLY nasty thread about the Highwayman's costume. I didn't make any friends there, because that's a minority opinion, thinking there ought to be other ways to earn our exclusive rewards. Kindly surprised you missed that flamewar.


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me and you Eclips, we speak the same language. in Chua and Lopp land sometimes, they call us trolls :D


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Looking at you, Black Lion Chests. *wades through the 84 Karma Boosts in his bank*  -_-


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That defense essentially tells the consumer to settle for an MMO experience that is free but demonstrably less than what they would have gotten had they been required to pay a subscription but without the burden of a cash shop.


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Posted Today, 11:32 PM Naunet, on 15 Apr 2015 - 11:12 PM, said:

So, you are saying that the only way I, as a gamer, can get an INCREDIBLE MMO and gaming experience is only through subscription-based MMOs? lol. :D


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You can point to many free to play game with more content released within a year, and if we are looking for currently sub games then Final Fantasy is releasing a lot more content as well WoW on the other hand ^^;


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Crowfall. Live it. Love it.


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Imho it looks like overhyped crap, they are taking way to much advantage of the GoT fanbase. They actually said they are pretty much trying to get as close to GoT as they can. I'm pretty sure they game will be the biggest fail since Chris Roberts Space empire. .


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