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There was several tries to have CoH to break off and be bought out, but NCSoft wouldn't sell. For reasons I don't know or probably allowed to say in first place


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Actually SWTOR did exactly what Wildstar is attempting to do. They released a very large "expansion" around the 3-4 month mark that added what they thought was a good amount of stuff for end game and things they touted as fixes for multiple problems. The population turned on them because they thought that should have been in at release. Which, it should have. After the population chewed through that content in less than a couple weeks, SWTOR was right back where it was before that patch. If this sounds familiar, it's because this is exactly what Wildstar is doing now, and heading for. Shove the game out the door even though it's not ready, blow smoke for 3-4 months, scramble with a "Hail Mary" attempt, act shocked when the "Hail Mary" doesn't right the ship, flounder for awhile, then go F2P. In recent memory, as mine goes back to UO/DAoC/EG, the 3 biggest failures have been SWTOR, WAR, and AoC. We'll just toss AoC because it was a PoS. SWTOR and WAR, soon to add Wildstar, fell on their asses because they promised the moon and delivered a picture of the moon you would get 9-12 months after you bought your ticket to the moon. The one thing those games had that Wildstar doesn't, is IP/Name Brand. That's not going to buy them the additional time that SWTOR and WAR got before being forced into a F2P model.


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No, I'm still loving the game. I actually have a nearly endless stream of stuff to do for my guild, which is why I've been on the forums less during off hours. I'm trying to spend all my time in bolstering our guild with roleplayers before the megaservers come.


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There's no "fast enough" in game design, for one thing. If people are perfectly fine with F2P being implemented in this game, you're entitled to your opinion. I've already said I hate it, it's a fleecing scheme masquerading as a player-oriented scheme, I've provided several FAR better options than cash layering in this thread, and I've stated very plainly that I have no intention of staying if this game goes that way. I've given extremely good rationale for why I think that and why I'll do that. If NCSoft goes that way, I've done everything that a player can to avoid it. They've got all of my feedback on the issue that they need. It's not inevitable, there are plenty of other, better options, and I shouldn't be able to come up with them while NCSoft can't. If they go that way, people can stay, I'm not saying we should all leave. I'm just saying I will, and the things I will have to say about NCSoft games thereafter won't be kind. If someone else is fine with what's happened to those games that use that model, that's fine. I have every reason to despise that model with every fiber of my being. But I disagree there's nothing we can do about it. If we say, "I hate F2P, but it's coming no matter what" instead of giving other options  to avoid it or expressing our vitriolic displeasure with it, that is something. If you aren't willing to say, "This isn't okay, I like this how it is", you can't complain when it changes. It's not like they'll have to dig for my position and logic on the matter. If NCSoft orders Carbine to commit video game sepukku, I'm sure as Hell not sticking around to see what NCSoft turns Wildstar into. I'm well aware of NCSoft's reputation, I've tested some of the rest of their oeuvre, and I know exactly what's coming if NCSoft announces an F2P transition on behalf of Carbine. Right now, Carbine's reputation, their hard work, and the fact that they've designed a great game core is worth me paying a sub for years. NCSoft is stopping me from doing that because they don't have that reputation. NCSoft is a moneygrubbing guillotine in the minds of everyone, including a healthy chunk of people playing this game. Why would we stick around if NCSoft steps in and starts making major game decisions by itself? These forums may have often had a lot of feedback about the game and Carbine, not all positive, but I have no idea why anyone would put their faith behind NCSoft stepping in and making this transition. I'm already leery of the management leaving right now. There are still enough old-school Carbine devs that I'm not jumping ship until I see it in writing, but when NCSoft steps in and forces Carbine to rewrite the game for a F2P scalping scheme? I have absolutely zero faith in NCSoft's ability to actually make game improvements for Wildstar. Wildstar was sort of a step towards changing that, but an F2P transition puts the reins in their hands, and I'm not paying their fare to go where they're going.


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I think most of us are operating on the assumption that we're talking about the most likely model Wildstar would use for F2P, which is that you would still need to buy the box, there would be some kind of cash shop, some kind of detriment to non-subscribers for not subscribing, and then no subscription fee. I don't think Wildstar will ever be free of the box price. Although, honestly, I kind of hope they survive for a long time and can give the EVE Online method a try, which is the reverse of what you'd think. No box price, only the sub.


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